Killing Power?

[Bowland blades]

@Bowland blades do you not want to play anymore?

Told you so, I’ve been shooting copper over 8 years longer than you have been a member of the SD.

So you can appreciate I no longer need to think too hard

Apologies to the OP had to put BB back in his box.

what ever has your current membership length of a forum to do with anything i simply cannot fathom reading a forum from December 6th 2023 qualifies anything
Lets get this straight your issue i seem to remember was i said " speed at impact is essential with copper " ? it is ! why? Because copper is no place near as malleable as lead with a very thin copper jacket covering it ! bullet weights and impact speeds / retained velocity ( a very important thing using copper bullets) what is learned shooting lead needs to be forgotten when we are loaded with copper monolithic bullets. Now note again " IMPACT SPEEDS" not what the chrono tells you the start speed is at a few feet from the end of the barrel . Copper sheds velocity much faster than lead !
Personally I sent a few hundred copper bullets down my range before i put them on live deer, let alone the trail and error process on live deer . Yeah, we can read all the sporting press, what our orgs say etc but the truth is sooner or later the real test of anything is in the field.
There are a heck of a lot of dead deer on my website, Instagram and FB and its been around 20 years since I completed my level 2 when it was btw 3 deer minimum and you could still be told to gather more evidence and no park culling of penned in animals was allowed then. Of course shooting rifles goes a lot further back than that ( very much before the launch home PC)

 

[south-nofolk-stalker]

what ever has your current membership length of a forum to do with anything i simply cannot fathom reading a forum from December 6th 2023 qualifies anything
Lets get this straight your issue i seem to remember was i said " speed at impact is essential with copper " ? it is ! why? Because copper is no place near as malleable as lead with a very thin copper jacket covering it ! bullet weights and impact speeds / retained velocity ( a very important thing using copper bullets) what is learned shooting lead needs to be forgotten when we are loaded with copper monolithic bullets. Now note again " IMPACT SPEEDS" not what the chrono tells you the start speed is at a few feet from the end of the barrel . Copper sheds velocity much faster than lead !
Personally I sent a few hundred copper bullets down my range before i put them on live deer, let alone the trail and error process on live deer . Yeah, we can read all the sporting press, what our orgs say etc but the truth is sooner or later the real test of anything is in the field.
There are a heck of a lot of dead deer on my website, Instagram and FB and its been around 20 years since I completed my level 2 when it was btw 3 deer minimum and you could still be told to gather more evidence and no park culling of penned in animals was allowed then. Of course shooting rifles goes a lot further back than that ( very much before the launch home PC)

Apologies again to the OP

@Bowland blades you carry on with your sand pit and water barrels, to prove that your method is correct, for I care not 1 jott.

All my days trial and error is long gone and I no longer need to prove anything, I will keep passing my knowledge on to those who want it, for I am retired from the wholesale killing of deer and no longer need to prove anything to anyone especially you.

My final words -

You do not need speed for copper bullets to expand of work effectively and efficiently.

 

[Bowland blades]

Apologies again to the OP

@Bowland blades you carry on with your sand pit and water barrels, to prove that your method is correct, for I care not 1 jott.

All my days trial and error is long gone and I no longer need to prove anything, I will keep passing my knowledge on to those who want it, for I am retired from the wholesale killing of deer and no longer need to prove anything to anyone especially you.

My final words -

You do not need speed for copper bullets to expand of work effectively and efficiently.

100 % disagree . I have not shot water ever for bullet testing and the only sand i have shot is in using my 50 yard RF range with RF . recovered bullets are from the beast or after passing trough , a weird thing is unlike my experience with lead is copper bullets blowing an exit hole in a beast yet they are frequently found in the exit tunnel within the beast .
Heck i have never stopped learning new things and i am a fair old amount higher in age than yourself , things move on