Lead-free Subsonic .22lr + Steel Hushpower Shells

JMikeyH

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As title, is there such a thing as lead-free subsonic .22lr?

I've got a very quaint little permission just come through where they run a small-time egg farm with turkeys, ducks, geese and chickens. With so many birds running around and free range, lead ammo is off the table. Corvids are walking around with the poultry stealing food and eggs, so they need to be controlled. I believe a nice and quiet .22 would be perfect for this permission due to the discreet-shooting requirement.

Also, are there steel subsonic shotgun cartridges? I couldn't find anything about these either.

Thanks!
 
Not in your choice. But fac air rifle with Prometheus pellets.
Quiet and depending on power it will kill birds at .22lr Ranges.
 
Not in your choice. But fac air rifle with Prometheus pellets.
Quiet and depending on power it will kill birds at .22lr Ranges.

I think I'm going to have to pursue an FAC air rifle ultimately, I cannot find anything about the ammunition I'm after and the air rifle is the next best choice I think. It's a lot of money for such a niché purpose though
 
As title, is there such a thing as lead-free subsonic .22lr?

I've got a very quaint little permission just come through where they run a small-time egg farm with turkeys, ducks, geese and chickens. With so many birds running around and free range, lead ammo is off the table. Corvids are walking around with the poultry stealing food and eggs, so they need to be controlled. I believe a nice and quiet .22 would be perfect for this permission due to the discreet-shooting requirement.

Also, are there steel subsonic shotgun cartridges? I couldn't find anything about these either.

Thanks!
 
Any idea of cost on them? I’ve not seen them before.
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For the OP they are not subsonic. Also same for me. I will use the hmr in this situation.
 
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I think I'm going to have to pursue an FAC air rifle ultimately, I cannot find anything about the ammunition I'm after and the air rifle is the next best choice I think. It's a lot of money for such a niché purpose though
If your not worried on the condition of the rifle being as new. FAC air rifles are cheap to buy. I bought a s410 xtra with a scope for 300ish I think. It’s a cracking rifle and great to shoot. Very quiet. No ricochet. Good tool to have.
 
GMK copper 22 tap in you post code and see who is selling them nr you 21gr at stupid speeds
That's the same CCI stuff that is marketed in the US as the "MEATEATER" bullet, "The ammunition that fills Steven Rinella's freezer"


$13 per 50. Seem to sell for £12 here, at a glance. CCI Copper-22 .22lr Copper Hollow Point 21gr (50 Rounds) so near enough dollars for pounds.

For a review see

So, it is wildly inaccurate. Does not expand whatsoever (see the gelatine tests). Despite being made from copper dust it does not fragment at all in flesh, it is essentially a solid. Very noisy (hardly surprising, starts off at 1850 fps). The chap managed to show us one group at 50 yards that was into one inch (how many tries before he got that I wonder ?) But didn't even try at say 75 yards, and alluded to others seeing 12" at 100 yards. It's game over by then anyway as it's transitioning to subsonic. But he thought it good enough (minute of squirrel) for between 25 and 50 yards. Wooh hoo.

All in all an utterly pointless thing for UK conditions. So, that seems to currently be the state of the art in lead free .22LR. Not aware of any other attempt to make such a thing, and it's been on the market for at least four years. Unimpressed to put it mildly.

Now if US shooters were allowed silencers without having to pay the exorbitant fees and jump through hoops, I expect they would soon become very keen on subsonic .22 ammo and how well it can perform. Meanwhile they have little interest in it, which is understandable.

Compare and contrast the CCI copper thing, with say their better subsonic lead offering, 40 gr lead. $6 per 50. Clean-22

Copper 21gr. Range yards, velocity fps and energy fpe.

(0, 1850, 160.) (50, 1486, 103.) (75, 1334, 83.) (100, 1205, 68.)

Lead subsonic 40gr.

(0, 1070, 101.) (50, 977, 85.) (75, 940, 78.) (100, 908, 73.)

So, there you have it. The noisy, hard, lightweight, none-expanding, twice as expensive, copper bullet has no real world energy advantage except at the muzzle, manages to lose 57fpe in just the first 50 yards, then continues to trail off rapidly. Whereas the (silent if silenced) twice as heavy, soft, lead subsonic is pretty much a match at 50 yards having only lost 26fpe from the muzzle, then continues to trundle along, losing far less energy, is equal at 75 yards, overtakes the copper at it's (unusable by all accounts) 100 yards, then will continue trundling along far beyond that, still retaining decent energy, and hopefully accuracy.
 
I think it will be a while before we start to see subsonic cartridges loaded with non-lead projectiles. Firstly, all the familiar ballistic issues with non-lead are writ large at lower velocities, so it's hard to get anything made with copper, tin or steel to work; secondly, subsonic shotgun cartridges -especially loaded for vermin- are marginal lines for the cartridge companies, so 3" subsonic #3 steel isn't likely to be high on anyone's agenda; and thirdly, most of the places our subsonic .22 ammo comes from haven't yet become paranoid about lead themselves and probably regard the new restrictions in overseas markets as somewhere between weird and rude, especially in the USA where their home market is buying everything they can make faster than they can make it. I'm currently thinking about gearing up to make some .410 and 12g handloads, perhaps even doing some .410 TSS (small volumes, and the look of surprise on the faces of the first crows to succumb to the extra range may well be worth the price!). I think that even when we do see a viable non-lead .22LR load it will probably not outperform an FAC air rifle, not least because of the flexibility provided by the latter's lower-temperature impulse, chamberless barrels and the larger calibres available.
 
As title, is there such a thing as lead-free subsonic .22lr?

I've got a very quaint little permission just come through where they run a small-time egg farm with turkeys, ducks, geese and chickens. With so many birds running around and free range, lead ammo is off the table. Corvids are walking around with the poultry stealing food and eggs, so they need to be controlled. I believe a nice and quiet .22 would be perfect for this permission due to the discreet-shooting requirement.

Also, are there steel subsonic shotgun cartridges? I couldn't find anything about these either.

Thanks!
Have you seen all the lead ban posts about how the lead ban will be the end of subsonic .22 LR??

no, they are not available and not likely to be any time soon, at least in a form that shoot in a standard .22.

Just use lead subsonic! Or get an FAC air rifle
 
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I think it will be a while before we start to see subsonic cartridges loaded with non-lead projectiles. Firstly, all the familiar ballistic issues with non-lead are writ large at lower velocities, so it's hard to get anything made with copper, tin or steel to work; secondly, subsonic shotgun cartridges -especially loaded for vermin- are marginal lines for the cartridge companies, so 3" subsonic #3 steel isn't likely to be high on anyone's agenda; and thirdly, most of the places our subsonic .22 ammo comes from haven't yet become paranoid about lead themselves and probably regard the new restrictions in overseas markets as somewhere between weird and rude, especially in the USA where their home market is buying everything they can make faster than they can make it. I'm currently thinking about gearing up to make some .410 and 12g handloads, perhaps even doing some .410 TSS (small volumes, and the look of surprise on the faces of the first crows to succumb to the extra range may well be worth the price!). I think that even when we do see a viable non-lead .22LR load it will probably not outperform an FAC air rifle, not least because of the flexibility provided by the latter's lower-temperature impulse, chamberless barrels and the larger calibres available.
Only if the Fac air rifles perform as well with non lead pellets as they do with lead but thats unlikely at range.....
 
I have it on good authority 22 lr none toxic is being developed and tested in the UK. Its resulted to be shooting accurate but yeah subsonic doesn't look like its gonna happen.
Frankly I think doing this at rimfire price point is tbe way bigger issue than getting some to shoot , if the price doesn't work then RF is effectively dead in the water .
The only reason we don't shoot small centrefire is the cheaper prices of rimfire , aguble but you can shoot your own cast lead from a 22 hornet at lower cost than you can buy decent rimfire but time has a cost
 
I have it on good authority 22 lr none toxic is being developed and tested in the UK. Its resulted to be shooting accurate but yeah subsonic doesn't look like its gonna happen.
Frankly I think doing this at rimfire price point is tbe way bigger issue than getting some to shoot , if the price doesn't work then RF is effectively dead in the water .
The only reason we don't shoot small centrefire is the cheaper prices of rimfire , aguble but you can shoot your own cast lead from a 22 hornet at lower cost than you can buy decent rimfire but time has a cost
And if lead is banned you can’t shoot your own cast either
 
I don't see lead bullets being banned within 5 years if at all . The sale of venison and game being sold with lead in them? That was lost years ago we just doged it to the max and now they have us inadequately prepared
I really hope you are right but the org’s aren’t ruling it out and as they’d have to make the argument for us I am worried.
 
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