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glasshalffull said:
Who else will the uk trade with if not the eu?
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Failure to get a deal will not mean that trade with the EU stops, we'll still want to buy German, Italian and French cars and parts, French, Spanish and Italian cheese, wine and other food, and they're going to want our lamb and fish etc. it will all just be a bit more expensive depending on what the £:Eu rate is. What I think will happen is that the Royal Navy will be kept busy repelling French fishing boats from our waters if their track record is anything to go by.
 
As net importers of EU Goods (by a significant margin), who will be the more disadvantaged by any trade restrictions?

Obviously not the politicians, and whilst the tariffs are going to be a bit of an irritant, much of them fall rather lightly on many items, and many items which are often available from other sources.
 
Biggest market for German cars in Europe, visas to travel !banning UK lorries ,mm chunnel goes both ways.
Banning UK flights all these threats from herr Macron mm il have some red leicester on my toast then whilst booking a staycation in Englandshire.
And as for wine well a rather large producer called Australia has a few spare bottles to sell due to China being run by lying toads .
Well keep it all mr Macron ,there's a few countries around the world happy to deal with us so toodleloo and pip pip.
 
Macron is playing to the domestic gallery, he has to sound like he's tough to keep his somewhat downhearted citizens from voting le Pen next time round. There's also a very good raison why they won't give the French a chance to have a referendum on EU, because they'd also in all likelihood wish to leave.

Plus ça change, plus la même chose...

Imagine a world without career politicians, eh?
 
Rasputin said:
I love/hate the French with equal measure having spent a lot of time living there but France as a beautiful country is wasted on the French. Useless self absorbed self centred lazy gravy train riding cretins. Germans just lost the way a few years ago under Merkel. Somewhat ironic the French are fighting so hard now maybe it’s to make up for the grandfathers failings 😂. A wins a win after all.
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Nice. Enlightened. I may add some of that to my signature.
 
The EU are still trying to play hard ball. But their demands are something that simply cannot be agreed to. British laws being ratified by the EU? Foreign fishing boats crawling (or trawling) all over our waters? One of the main reasons for leaving is to retain (or recover) our sovereignty. As for trading with the EU, it is still the case that most products manufactured in the EU find one of their biggest markets in the UK. I simply cannot believe the likes of Seat, VW, BMW, Mercedes to only name some vehicle manufacturers who will stand for tariffs that will price themselves out of the UK market and will create merry hell with their governments. Without the British holiday makers £, where would Spain be?

The other thing to mention is that it may well be that at the end of the month we will leave without a deal. But that doesn't mean no deal can be agreed in the future at any time.
 
Freeforester said:
As net importers of EU Goods (by a significant margin), who will be the more disadvantaged by any trade restrictions?

Obviously not the politicians, and whilst the tariffs are going to be a bit of an irritant, much of them fall rather lightly on many items, and many items which are often available from other sources.
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I'm perplexed as to why we have to impose a tariff at all if it doesn't suit us. For some items - it is to our advantage, but for others - why bother. Are we legally obliged to impose an import tarif?
 
enfieldspares said:
You're joking, right? All the deals done in West Africa and East Africa are by the Chinese. We can neither underbid them on price nor can we offer the "dash" (aka a "gift", a back hander, brown envelope, "dessous table") that they do. All the big projects...for example the new Lagos to Kano railway are Chinese. Or, but much less so, the United States.

"In 2006, the Nigerian government awarded a $8.3 billion contract to the China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation to construct a standard gauge railway from Lagos to Kano."

And India, as they told the useless Theresa May back in November 2016, will want any future trade deal to not just be restricted to a) trade b) capital and c) services but also d) free movement of persons. In other words on the same basis as the UK had with the EU up until we Brexited (the EU "four freedoms").

Heath (another contender along with May as the most useless post-WWII Tory Prime Minister) effectively and very firmly closed the door on the Commonwealth in the 1970s. These countries have moved on. They don't need deals with the UK and if they do accept an invitation to negotiate deals they will most likely, as with India, demand these encompass a), b), c) and d) as above.
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Then the choice could have been.

B for Brown



C for Corbyn



:rofl:
 
kes said:
Thats very depressing and whilst I respect what you say I also hope you are wrong ! If Bo Jo agrees he's dead as a politician.
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This is not wrong at all. India is crying over fumbling the ball with China over Africa resources for many years now. No point in thinking watching ‘it ain’t half hot mum’ is anything but completely outdated.
 
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