Medical verification update

Most GPs are still doing medical verification but the number not doing so anymore is increasing. The following article explains the wider context.


The article is full of missinformation.
Some may say that the article is being economical with the truth or that it is angled to shine a light on an organisation that is, like many politicans, trying to gain some credit by telling everyone how great they are and what a wonderful job they are doing.
I couldn't possibly comment.

Lumping Scotland in with England and Wales regarding GP 'forms' is bordering .... Yes the BMA did withdraw it's support in 2016 but Scotland pressed ahead thanks to Chief Inspector Fraser (Freedom) Lamb (retired) and despite there being no legal grounding, Scottish Ministeral approvals or Home Office guidance (or even a nod of the head) this 'requirement' took hold as Police Scotland 'refused' to grant or renewl without a completed tick form.

What did BASC do then ?
They fell back into their comfort zone and bounced around a bit, made a bit of noise and change direction many and several times.
I think they counted their 'fighting fund', which took a while.
He that fights and runs away, may turn and fight another day.
I wasn't paying my fee for that level of risk-aversion.

In 2019 Medcert was setup to provide assistance to a growing number of individuals who were being blackmailed (that maybe a bit strong, is coerced better?) into getting a 'doctors form' prior to having a renewal/certificate granted.
It was a clever move IMO, good business sense.
There was still no legal requirement to get this Dr's form however the jobsworth brigade in Scotland are trumpeting success (without anything too factual) and now English/Welsh Police Forces are now 'following' on.

In 2020 Medcert was doing quite well (in financial terms) and were also helping many individuals get over hurdles created by their GP's and FLO's, so well that I guess BASC realised they were 'missing out'.
So they formed a committee and this committee (somehow) 'helped thousands' of BASC members.
In 2020 BASC asked a mate (Dr Christopher Paul Orlebar Garrett) to join their committed crew and he had enough commercial nous that a year later (Nov 21) he set up an independant company, Shootcert to "help" thousands more members who were now being blackmailed (still to strong ?) into additionaly paying for something that they were already paying for ...
4 years after the stable door opened and 2 years after others were trying to 'help', not quite at the cutting edge Connor, but a well written article from your point of view i'm sure you'd agree.

Dr Chis still operates Shootcert, a company with no employees and has about £7K in the bank (£7K, that's not a lot is it ? - where's the rest of the money that these 1000's of people have paid gone ?).
He's likely still paid to be on the BASC medical panel (it's not a published list).
I wish him well with his endeavors, it's good to see NHS funded people make their way into the commercial jungle and even better to see them 'help' members and organisations of the shooting fraternity.

There are now a significant number of groups/companies, with GMC registered doctors offering this (tick form filling in) service, prices vary and you don't have to be a member to pay more, anymore.

The BASC (and this article in general) reminds me of a self enegising, ping pong ball in a goldfish bowl which occaisonall bounces over the rim but falls back in to another self motivated frenzy of noise and random actions.
Fun to watch but not really that helpful.
Keeps them busy though. The next one to watch out for is 'training'. We will all need to get a 'certificate' to shoot deer (even for personal consumption) and BASC will be expounding on how they have set up training programmes and trained 1000's of people and they should be the organisation to organise and oversee the whole thing, with discounts for members of course.


No I am not a member of BASC, I was, then I was a member of SACS but Craig hired Ch Insp Fraser (Freedom) Lamb (ret) and I got grumpy as it was 'Freedom' that brought the whole Dr's Form mess into being.
There were other reasons but that's for another day.

REF:


Apologies to those that think "Blackmail" and "Coercion" are too strong a word for the current non-legal way in which the Police are demanding money in addition to the mandatory charge for the renew or grant of a licence to possess, buy or acquire a firearm or shotgun.
'Freedom' .... said in the same way (and with the same passion and feeling) that William Wallace did in the movie Braveheart.
Fraser lives just up the road from me and i'm sure it was him I heard yelling into the mirror before he drove to work every morning and before his podcasts and interviews, I may have been mistaken though.
 
I think if it were made mandatory, the applicant would bear the brunt of any displeasure and simply be marked as unsuitable to have an fac, I doubt the police would push the issue of proof. Unfortunately Conor, the time to fight this has long passed
This.

To be honest, although I was astonished at the Memorandum of Understanding that the BMA got, I think the current system is probably the better option.

Now, if your surgery wants to be amenable and gain a modest extra income, they can charge a sensible fee. If they are no, or want a silly fee, then we can go to alternatives such as ShootCert, MedCert, or any other GMC registered practitioner that we can give access to our records.

Make it compulsory, and the GMC will just make sure it is for the higher end of the fee range, and they'll want 13 - 26 weeks to do it. You just know it will end up being top rates for poor service.

If you are lucky enough to have a doctor that sees that shooting as normal, then celebrate that.
 
What did BASC do then ?
They fell back into their comfort zone and bounced around a bit, made a bit of noise and change direction many and several times.
I think they counted their 'fighting fund', which took a while.
He that fights and runs away, may turn and fight another day.
I wasn't paying my fee for that level of risk-aversion.

My understanding is BASC took legal advice and the conclusion was given the wording of the firearms act a Chief Constable has no constraints on what they can do to ensure we are fit and proper persons to be in possession of a firearm.
 
My understanding is BASC took legal advice and the conclusion was given the wording of the firearms act a Chief Constable has no constraints on what they can do to ensure we are fit and proper persons to be in possession of a firearm.

Well here we are, the perfect oppertunity for Connor to tell us the truth of the matter.

Why didn't BASC 'fight' on our behalf and legally challenge Police Scotland who against 'HO guidance' (which said, in the absence of the tick form to grant anyway) and without Scottish Ministerial approval, they adopted a policy of "No Tick Form, No Renewal or Grant".
It took almost 3 years for some English forces to adopt this policy. BASC set up a Medical Committee to 'help' 1000's of Members, and then deployed a mechanism whereby they profited from it .... and now they are 'advertising it' ... 5 years after the Police forces across the UK started to adopt.
5 years. Interesting timing that.
 
but that’s the issue it is only Home Office guidance not statutory law.

Then
firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

How the cheif officer goes about being satisfied is up to them.
 
Just taken my medical proforma this morning local GP practice £125 asked when will it be completed answer anything up to a month possibly longer.
 
but that’s the issue it is only Home Office guidance not statutory law.

Then
firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

How the cheif officer goes about being satisfied is up to them.

So in your world ~~~~

I am the Chief Constable.
Gingers are knob-heads.
YOU are ginger, YOU cannot have a licence ...

I am the Chief Constable.
I nearly got run over by a bus driver with a man bun in Bradford.
YOU are a bus driver, YOU have a man bun, YOU cannot have a licence ...

I think I prefer to live in the real world where there are rules and guidelines and consequences/legal challenge when they are not followed.
This isn't the dark ages where those in power dominate.

Look it's Chief Constable .. How do you know ? ... Well he's not covered in shit is he...

Remember the rules (or ignorable guidance if you prefer) state that if the FLO hasn't recieved a completed tick form back from the doctor, within a given time frame then there should be no impediment to Renew or Grant.
 
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So in your world ~~~~

I am the Chief Constable.
Gingers are knob-heads.
YOU are ginger, YOU cannot have a licence ...

I am the Chief Constable.
I nearly got run over by a bus driver with a man bun in Bradford.
YOU are a bus driver, YOU have a man bun, YOU cannot have a licence ...

I think I prefer to live in the real world where there are rules and guidelines and consequences/legal challenge when they are not followed.
This isn't the dark ages where those in power dominate.

Look it's Chief Constable .. How do you know ? ... Well he's not covered in **** is he...

Remember the rules (or ignorable guidance if you prefer) state that if the FLO hasn't recieved a completed tick form back from the doctor, within a given time frame then there should be no impediment to Renew or Grant.

Being a Chief Constable doesn't preclude being a knob-head either, or a Walt, at the same time though -

 
So in your world ~~~~

I am the Chief Constable.
Gingers are knob-heads.
YOU are ginger, YOU cannot have a licence ...

I am the Chief Constable.
I nearly got run over by a bus driver with a man bun in Bradford.
YOU are a bus driver, YOU have a man bun, YOU cannot have a licence ...

I think I prefer to live in the real world where there are rules and guidelines and consequences/legal challenge when they are not followed.
This isn't the dark ages where those in power dominate.

Look it's Chief Constable .. How do you know ? ... Well he's not covered in shit is he...

Remember the rules (or ignorable guidance if you prefer) state that if the FLO hasn't recieved a completed tick form back from the doctor, within a given time frame then there should be no impediment to Renew or Grant.

oh if only life was that simple.

If you are the man from bradford refused your licence you can always then legally appeal, provided you have deep pockets and that is not guidance but the law within the firearms act.

We may not like it but sadly the Home Office guidance is exactly that guidance that the Chief Officer is not legally bound to follow, especially if they add extra checks to ensure the safety of the applicant and general public.

Obviously you have strong views about it, as I once did and I made a formal complaint against the Chief constable via the PCC, so the easy way for you is next renewal do not do the GP report and when they refuse to renew your certificate use the law within the firearms act to appeal. Lets us know how that goes for you.
 
not read all of the document Conor linked to but all should read this


clearly shows how they feel about fees and forgets why the first firearms act was introduced and why the tax payer makes a contribution. Then shotguns to go to section 1. Shorter certificate life. Interim medical checks.

Quite sad how such attacks can be made on the most law abiding members of society by a few furthering their own agendas to further their own careers.
 
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not read all of the document Conor linked to but all should read this


clearly shows how they feel about fees and forgets why the first firearms act was introduced and why the tax payer makes a contribution. Then shotguns to go to section 1. Shorter certificate life. Interim medical checks.

Quite sad how such attacks can be made on the most law abiding members of society by a few furthering their own agendas to further their own careers.
Here is BASC's response to the Scottish Affairs Committee report:

BASC Scotland raises concerns over firearms licensing

The above focus on Scotland was in 2022, and in 2023 the Home Office ran its public consultation on firearms law and licensing in England, Wales and Scotland. We await the outcome of that consultation. And we await the Home Office working group on firearms licensing fees to resume its review.
 
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