thanks for the reply,s lads i,ve very greatfull . in the cost part off it i,ll pay what i have to pay at the end off the day i,ll need one . i do have a t8 for my 223 but don,t want one for my 270 as i,ve heard horror story,s about them rusting from the inside out .so want to get something better but needs to be over barrel for me .