bob_lee_swagger
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What was it that you didnt like?
MRAD v MOA
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The inability to call corrections quickly - e.g. 1 moa at round distances equates to approximately the same in inches (100y = 1”, 400y = 4” 800y = 8” etc.)
With MRAD I always found it more of a challenge…as most ranges were in yards…and calling 400y 14.4mils just wasn’t as easy for me…
Also the MOA is a finer adjustment in most scopes.
Regards,
Gixer
i used MOA for years and wouldnt go near MRAD, bought a scope years ago that was MRAD but couldnt get on with it, to much of a head F*&k.
mow all m y scopes are MRAD for some strange reason, iv now wrapped my head round it, but if i could id swap them all tomorrow for the same in MOA.
i look at something a say thats 9", if i have to think in cm then i have to start doing maths,
mow all m y scopes are MRAD for some strange reason, iv now wrapped my head round it, but if i could id swap them all tomorrow for the same in MOA.
i look at something a say thats 9", if i have to think in cm then i have to start doing maths,
Scarpa
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I asked my missus why she kept scraping the back of the car bumper when reversing. She held her finger and thumb apart and shouted at me "Well you keep telling me that this is nine inches".i used MOA for years and wouldnt go near MRAD, bought a scope years ago that was MRAD but couldnt get on with it, to much of a head F*&k.
mow all m y scopes are MRAD for some strange reason, iv now wrapped my head round it, but if i could id swap them all tomorrow for the same in MOA.
i look at something a say thats 9", if i have to think in cm then i have to start doing maths,
Malxwal
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If you'd said 6", I may have had some sympathy...I asked my missus why she kept scraping the back of the car bumper when reversing. She held her finger and thumb apart and shouted at me "Well you keep telling me that this is nine inches".
MRAD in FFP and 2FP.
Carry my stalking rifle (zeiss diavari 6-24x56 0.1 mil clicks) set at 3 clicks up and dial for longer shots. Stalked a lot over the yeards with either Diavari’s 2fp or PM2’s ffp.
Carry my stalking rifle (zeiss diavari 6-24x56 0.1 mil clicks) set at 3 clicks up and dial for longer shots. Stalked a lot over the yeards with either Diavari’s 2fp or PM2’s ffp.
dropmdead
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In the grand world of stalking, i use MOA as i never intend to shoot distances beyond general stalking, picking the cartridge/rifle to suit the location (SFP swaro scopes have always done me good).
SFP MOA of long range known distance and dialing (1k bench rest and 1 mile), and FFP MIL for unknown distance and steel plate etc. (March scopes for both bench rest and plate).
SFP MOA of long range known distance and dialing (1k bench rest and 1 mile), and FFP MIL for unknown distance and steel plate etc. (March scopes for both bench rest and plate).
I’m glad my joke didn’t go unnoticedI asked my missus why she kept scraping the back of the car bumper when reversing. She held her finger and thumb apart and shouted at me "Well you keep telling me that this is nine inches".
Neither are metric, and both work on a decimal system.
1/4MOA is a finer adjustment than 0.1MIL.
Other than that they both require some mental arithmetic and that is where the difference comes in. As a shooter you either can work it out or you can't, and if you can work out one you can work out the other. Then we want to be polarised and insist on one is best, when neither is better overall.
Oh, and MILs aren't milliradians despite many companies thinking they are.
1/4MOA is a finer adjustment than 0.1MIL.
Other than that they both require some mental arithmetic and that is where the difference comes in. As a shooter you either can work it out or you can't, and if you can work out one you can work out the other. Then we want to be polarised and insist on one is best, when neither is better overall.
Oh, and MILs aren't milliradians despite many companies thinking they are.
bob_lee_swagger
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Interesting. Can you elaborate on this for the rest of us please?
A complete circle has 2pi radians, or 6.283radians. That makes 6283 milliradians in a complete circle.
That number is not a nice number for quick mental arithmetic.
So depending upon where you come from it was decided to make the figures more acceptable, the east went with 6000mils, the west went for 6400mils and some Scandinavian countries went for something in between (6300 iirc).
The Optimist
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All my scopes are MRAD FFP. And I use a Leica laser rangefinder, given to me by my wife, to measure distances in metric.
bob_lee_swagger
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Thanks Matt, I knew and understood the first part, but I did not know about the second part.
And it's not metric, otherwise it would be 1000mils, or 10000mils in a complete circle, or something else to base10.
1mil gives (subtends) about 1m at 1000m, so people think 'Metric'.
But since it is a ratio it doesn't matter on the base units; it'll also give around 1yd at 1000yds, or 1LondonBus at 1000LondonBuses distance.
It's when you get to 100m and 1mil is about 10cm, but at 100yds 1mil gives approx 3.6inches and people think mils=metric, - but again think of it as fractions, 10cm is a thousandth of 100m (or 1/10 of a metre), 3.6" is 1000th of 100yds (or 1/10 of a yard).
And to add, MOA isn't always MOA either. Some are TMOA and some are SMOA (IIRC). And I think there is also a third version of MOA floating around as well.
Bottom line though is that they're all measurements of angle, even if slightly off from the actual, mathematical values. I suspect this was done to allow the gears in the erector to be more easily cut, while providing "close enough" representation of the true angular measurement (since most people can't shoot the difference anyways).
Bottom line though is that they're all measurements of angle, even if slightly off from the actual, mathematical values. I suspect this was done to allow the gears in the erector to be more easily cut, while providing "close enough" representation of the true angular measurement (since most people can't shoot the difference anyways).
MOA all around (FFP) personally, im sure MRAD has its place but its what i clicked with
daniel.lepley94
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MRAD for me where possible, numbers are easier to work out
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