New VED Rates
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Electric cars aren't cheap, they're still unaffordable to most. Affordable isn't PCP or HP either, I'm talking actually affordable. There's a lot of people who won't or can't enter credit agreements.
So we either have to go for unaffordable electric cars, or they make IC cars so expensive you can't afford not to make "the right" choice.
So we either have to go for unaffordable electric cars, or they make IC cars so expensive you can't afford not to make "the right" choice.
No particular interest in getting one myself at the moment, but I can see how they'd be a sensible choice for some people in certain situations, and I've got nothing against them.Get one then mate and report back.
Just don't park it close to the house or barn
Morkai
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I'd pay the new tax rate on the Hyundai N74, not that I could afford one though.
Details regarding the vehicle’s powertrain remain under wraps. However, it’s expected that Hyundai might retain the concept’s 498 kW hydrogen fuel-cell setup, or possibly (and rather likely) transition to a fully electric drivetrain.
Details regarding the vehicle’s powertrain remain under wraps. However, it’s expected that Hyundai might retain the concept’s 498 kW hydrogen fuel-cell setup, or possibly (and rather likely) transition to a fully electric drivetrain.
Say what you will about Orange man, but he's the reason most of the EV crap is going to get tossed out the door here (EV mandates and such).
They are either economically viable, or they are not. Subsidies and taxes on the average working class person is not a path to success/adoption. Today, they are just not.
Personally, I think until they consolidate to a common battery pack(s) that is:
1. Small enough for even a frail old person to change.
2. And can be swapped in less than 30 seconds.
Then it's a total waste of time. The issue isn't battery technology per se, it's the portability of energy. As someone already said, you can carry a can full of fuel in the boot (it's portable). The current battery packs you can not.
I think Hitachi (IIRC) has the right concept, of cylinder swapped batteries that can be swapped at a charge station. These can then be charged slowly by the station, so the next person can swap theirs. Also, spares could be loaded in the boot, in case of an emergency need or some such.
Down the side of each car, are slots for the cylinders to slide and lock into. The only question I have on this solution is what happens in an impact/collision?
I like the tech and concept of an electrical vehicle, but they are just not practical enough for mainstream use right now unless you live in a highly urban area, and are cost prohibitive.
They are either economically viable, or they are not. Subsidies and taxes on the average working class person is not a path to success/adoption. Today, they are just not.
Personally, I think until they consolidate to a common battery pack(s) that is:
1. Small enough for even a frail old person to change.
2. And can be swapped in less than 30 seconds.
Then it's a total waste of time. The issue isn't battery technology per se, it's the portability of energy. As someone already said, you can carry a can full of fuel in the boot (it's portable). The current battery packs you can not.
I think Hitachi (IIRC) has the right concept, of cylinder swapped batteries that can be swapped at a charge station. These can then be charged slowly by the station, so the next person can swap theirs. Also, spares could be loaded in the boot, in case of an emergency need or some such.
Down the side of each car, are slots for the cylinders to slide and lock into. The only question I have on this solution is what happens in an impact/collision?
I like the tech and concept of an electrical vehicle, but they are just not practical enough for mainstream use right now unless you live in a highly urban area, and are cost prohibitive.
I've actually seen a few on fire here. It wasn't pretty. Firemen won't touch an EV/Hybrid once it's on fire. Both of the ones I saw were on the side of the road, with the firemen in a circle around it, watching it burn/melt to slag. A third I just saw the aftermath (big puddle of melted metal and burnt plastic). BTW, they had to call a HazMat team to clean up the mess. So much for "clean" energy.
All of them left quite a big hole in the road where they burned (melted the asphalt).
Hornet 6
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Electric cars do not, and never will be a sensible replacement for the internal combustion engine.
We don't have the infrastructure to support it, and I am never going to sit around waiting for a battery to charge in a service area, life is far too short for that.
When everyone can charge at home (on cheap rate electric) and get the charging done in the same time span as re-filling a fuel tank, then and only then would I consider it.
Neil.
Stevie/P
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imagine 10 million EVs all connected to the grid overnight with owners thinking there vehicles are getting charged when in reality all the stored battery energy is being diverted back into the grid powering industry the technology is already in place with smart meters remember the movie the Matrix science fiction or reality 
Len the dog
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Imagine 10 million EVs having somewhere to charge, the whole thing is a joke.imagine 10 million EVs all connected to the grid overnight with owners thinking there vehicles are getting charged when in reality all the stored battery energy is being diverted back into the grid powering industry the technology is already in place with smart meters remember the movie the Matrix science fiction or reality
Rake Aboot
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Running out of battery in an EV isn’t t really a thing though
Never heard it ever said that someone got stranded in a flat ev
Never heard it ever said that someone got stranded in a flat ev
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Totally agree with this. In fact one of the earliest adopters of a fully EV was an old chap that lived up the hill from me. In the early days our councils local charging port was free (4 or 5 years ago). This chap used to drive to the charger, use his free bus pass to come home and go back for his car a few hours later!
Oh it happens. When I worked with FLS there was a Govt dictate for all SG bodies and agencies to move to EV's. This ignore the fact that our guys drove long distances to remote places (10mile into a forest included).It go to the stage that our H&S team had to step in as folk were getting stranded in the forest with no form of heating.
Smellydog
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So he wasn't saving the planet at all then !
