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Hornet 6 said:
Electric cars do not, and never will be a sensible replacement for the internal combustion engine.
We don't have the infrastructure to support it, and I am never going to sit around waiting for a battery to charge in a service area, life is far too short for that.
When everyone can charge at home (on cheap rate electric) and get the charging done in the same time span as re-filling a fuel tank, then and only then would I consider it.

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Like a broken record don’t buy one then. Nobodies forcing you just yet.
 
Smellydog said:
So he wasn't saving the planet at all then !
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You do realise that most EV owners couldn’t give too hoots about ecomentalism don’t you?

Rake Aboot said:
Running out of battery in an EV isn’t t really a thing though

Never heard it ever said that someone got stranded in a flat ev
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Exactly this because people drive accordingly and for most people a supercharger is Planned if required.
 
Len the dog said:
Actually, you’ll find that most people in the UK don’t have the facility for any type of charger, they are the ones who, like me, don’t have off road parking.
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Then don’t buy one! But my point was about super chargers which are readily available. Anyways ratface rayner is about to add another 1.5m driveways for us so don’t worry they got you covered when you need to get one.


Smellydog said:
Absolutely, I like to emphasize the hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is fcuking up the world rapidly.
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I’m yet to meet an EV owner who bleats about saving the planet not in this country anyways. Politicians well it’s part of the job description.
 
Rasputin said:
Then don’t buy one! But my point was about super chargers which are readily available. Anyways ratface rayner is about to add another 1.5m driveways for us so don’t worry they got you covered when you need to get one.
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If only I had the choice, EVs are being foisted upon us whether we choose one or not through punitive taxation.
I have to drive 300 miles to my place of work, do you seriously suggest that buying an EV is even a credible option for me?

Furthermore, do you actually think that all of those 1.5 million homes will be the type that have there own driveways and still remain affordable for the type of resident that Angela Rayner has in mind? They are not going to be upmarket housing estates in stockbroker country, this is the hard left we’re talking about.

Honestly, people that sing the praises of EVs really cannot see them from anyone else’s perspective or get their heads around the fact that they are in fact only suitable for small minority of owners.

And for the record, I find your comment to be extremely patronising and quite insulting.
 
Len the dog said:
1.5 million homes will be the type that have there own driveways and still remain affordable for the type of resident that Angela Rayner has in mind
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Something else that won’t happen stop listening to all the BS politicians are sporting we haven’t got enough tradesmen in the uk to build 1.5 million homes no they won’t bring in foreign labour it’s all bollocks 11500 homes per day over the next 5 years it’s ludicrous.
 
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slider said:
Oh it happens. When I worked with FLS there was a Govt dictate for all SG bodies and agencies to move to EV's. This ignore the fact that our guys drove long distances to remote places (10mile into a forest included).It go to the stage that our H&S team had to step in as folk were getting stranded in the forest with no form of heating.
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If that’s true then you are the first person I’ve come across in either real life or online that can give actual evidence of EV drivers unintentionally running a vehicle flat.

I assume.
 
Rasputin said:
I’m yet to meet an EV owner who bleats about saving the planet not in this country anyways. Politicians well it’s part of the job description.
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We have a few at work, but they work in the social sustainability and environmental part of the business. (Part of the job description as you say).

I've not come across it from members of the public. It is mostly heard via propaganda from the Govs and lobby groups.
 
@Rasputin mayne I will need to adjust my routine and get a charger installed for the new Renault 5 Turbo 3e (maybe not in yellow).

I cant see it doing many miles to charge though being small, having 500bhp, it'd be difficult not to give it a hiding.

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Rake Aboot said:
Is that a 600 mile daily commute?
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No, but it is a five and a half hour drive to Aberdeen where I then hole up in a hotel near the airport before going offshore for 3 weeks, so couldn’t exactly leave an EV on charge ready for the 300 mile trip home.

Everyone one assumes that car owners only need to fill up their car occasionally and that will see them through a couple of weeks commuting to and from work, so they could just give their electric car a top up every couple of nights.

Well it isn’t like that for everyone, I don’t have off street parking and I can seldom get parked within 30 yards of my house, my local neighbourhood has two public charge points located in a public park that is frequented most evenings by towrags, so hardly going to leave a car there, assuming one of the chargers was vacant.

It is an area of pre war housing stock where very few people have driveways, so where do you suggest the thousands of other home owners charge their cars?

However I am told that I have a choice between EV or ICE, but the government has decided to tax me off the road because I’m not making the right choice.
 
Len the dog said:
No, but it is a five and a half hour drive to Aberdeen where I then hole up in a hotel near the airport before going offshore for 3 weeks, so couldn’t exactly leave an EV on charge ready for the 300 mile trip home.

Everyone one assumes that car owners only need to fill up their car occasionally and that will see them through a couple of weeks commuting to and from work, so they could just give their electric car a top up every couple of nights.

Well it isn’t like that for everyone, I don’t have off street parking and I can seldom get parked within 30 yards of my house, my local neighbourhood has two public charge points located in a public park that is frequented most evenings by towrags, so hardly going to leave a car there, assuming one of the chargers was vacant.

It is an area of pre war housing stock where very few people have driveways, so where do you suggest the thousands of other home owners charge their cars?

However I am told that I have a choice between EV or ICE, but the government has decided to tax me off the road because I’m not making the right choice.
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Train , like 90% of the rest of the platform .

Your not being picked on by the government because you want to drive a combustion engine vehicle , you’re being picked on cause you should be using public transport for a twice a month 300 mile journey.

Let’s face it , riggers are the perfect candidate for an EV . Not needed for a commute of any distance.
 
Rake Aboot said:
Train , like 90% of the rest of the platform .
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And what would you know about commuting long distance using the trains? They are expensive, you quite often don’t get a seat, they are extremely unreliable, and they don’t get you to every destination that you need to get to.
I can’t carry all of my bags and sometimes equipment too, they don’t take me from one site to another when I need to go.

You know absolutely nothing about my job and yet you presume that the train is the only logical means of transport, just so that you can spout off at someone for whom an EV would most definitely not be a suitable mode of transport.
 
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