Nhs you fkn clowns

[MarinePMI]

Which may well be better. Rather than ban sugar for all to "Save the NHS" we could just charge fatties more. Other examples available - dangerous activities for example.
Or we provide a basic level of cover via state funding and allow people to top up their own cover (Irish model).
Either way, the funding could be separate from the provision to allow the consumer the choice of where they are treated. Current NHS is run for the benefit of the organisation rather than the people using it.
And don't even get me started on the sheer number of mothers & babies the NHS has killed due to dogma and incompetence in maternity wards.

I see your point, but have to ask, honestly. How does adding another layer (government funding) make healthcare either better, or lower cost?

Your argument/point completely brushes over this.

 

[MarinePMI]

You’re right, but, we don’t kick sick or dying people out on the street due to lack of insurance. It’s the post code lottery, and the NHS certainly has its failures, for sure! But the concept is right we just need the right people in power to equalise the treatment levels nationwide to ensure the tax payers monies are equally distributed and service levels provided fairly. Hopefully Andy will start that process…. It wont be overnight, but I do think he has the right intentions, so hopefully!!

Nor does the US. It's illegal here to do that (and one of the reasons our healthcare costs are so high; it has to cover those unable to pay, but have serious medical conditions that need immediate treatment).

The case previously mentioned certainly warrants a wrongful death lawsuit, and likely to win (though that is of no consolation to the family that lost their family member).

 

[MarinePMI]

We do have My Chart here, but I don’t think it is accessible or used everywhere. It may depend upon the individual Health Trust? I’ve got the app on my phone and have accessed it frequently this year for test results. Communication and sharing of information and data between hospital departments and hospitals and GPs is, in my experience, absolutely atrocious though.

That's probably due to your version of our HIPPA laws. Your government needs to update those to take full advantage of the technology; and enable record sharing across providers. It's that record sharing that prevents a lot of accidents, when one provider doesn't fully understand the individuals medical history.

 

[MarinePMI]

"I also see a fair amount of patients that are in Oxford as expats and generally they say they wish they had a nhs service style healthcare system in their country."

I hope that as 'EXPATS". ie people that choose to leave this country for a 'better life' and no longer pay into this country, they are billed as any visitor should be either personally or their country's health service is billed. I have travel insurance to cover this if oi go to a different country..... know of people who lived abroad and came back for selective stuff such as IVF as they could get it free here...... boils my p@*s

IIRC, my healthcare was covered by the UK government as part of the SOFA agreement for Defense contractors. Fortunately, I never had to use it once while living in the UK (one of my friend's wife was a nurse at the NHS, so I'd hear the horror stories).

 

[Matt_R]

I see your point, but have to ask, honestly. How does adding another layer (government funding) make healthcare either better, or lower cost?

Your argument/point completely brushes over this.

I touched on it when I wrote "Current NHS is run for the benefit of the organisation rather than the people using it.".

With almost zero competition, and ever increasing funding, there is absolutely no incentive for the NHS to improve.

If people could use government funding wherever they chose, you soon find the likes of GP practices making an effort to provide basics like timely appointments and home visits. Same applies to other healthcare services.

Other parts of the world allow you to walk in for a (paid) scan and be out within a short period of time. Here we have to get the GP to okay it, then wait months for the actual scan.

 

[MarinePMI]

I touched on it when I wrote "Current NHS is run for the benefit of the organisation rather than the people using it.".

With almost zero competition, and ever increasing funding, there is absolutely no incentive for the NHS to improve.

If people could use government funding wherever they chose, you soon find the likes of GP practices making an effort to provide basics like timely appointments and home visits. Same applies to other healthcare services.

Other parts of the world allow you to walk in for a (paid) scan and be out within a short period of time. Here we have to get the GP to okay it, then wait months for the actual scan.

Yeah, after reading a few of your other comments I think we're in violent agreement.

Last time I went in to the see my PCP (primary care physician), he wanted to have some lab tests done. Anyways, after we got done speaking about some medication concerns I had, he told me "I'll put in for your lab tests now. On your way out, stop at the lab for the blood draws." (the lab is on the ground floor). Anyways, I stopped at the lab, which was pretty full, and was in and out in 10 mins. The phlebotomists were extremely efficient while also remaining courteous and friendly. Because it is all private insurance, they all get paid by how many draws their crew gets done in a shift (they have a target minimum). And they get a lot done. Makes for a quick, pleasant experience for the patients, and also is profitable for the clinic/hospital. Win/win.

 

[Rake Aboot]

I wish people were insightful enough to appreciate the people running/ operating the NHS are very different to the ones managing the NHS

Maybe if they were they would bite their tongues before throwing massive insults at the poor people having to deal with them.

 

[MarinePMI]

I wish people were insightful enough to appreciate the people running/ operating the NHS are very different to the ones managing the NHS

Maybe if they were they would bite their tongues before throwing massive insults at the poor people having to deal with them.

I wish people were insightful enough to appreciate that other people have had widely varying experiences with NHS.

Just saying....

 

[Smellydog]

7 hours in AE so far tonight. Waiting for blood test then have to wait for the results.