Normal Life - when ?

[pezz69]

God forbid she’s having to do work whilst doing a job of her choosing! What’s next soldiers getting upset because they get sent to Afghanistan ?

It also must be nice knowing that she’s in a job for life no matter how currently unpleasant the situation is whilst millions of others face uncertainty of the likes never seen before.

Whilst I have no axe to grind with frontline workers as they are only doing there job. The whole organisation is riddled with inefficiencies that hold it back. Not to mention the obvious disparities in available care between post codes which is disproportionately unfair to many.

After seven years without the NHS coming back to the UK “free healthcare” system was a shock to the system at how poor it’s got.

 

[Rasputin]

Do you use private healthcare then? If you don't, you haven't got a leg to stand on. Idiot. Wheres that silence button....

Of course I use private healthcare because then I actually get something done correctly and on time whilst at the same time paying for the NHS. So back in your box!!

 

[pezz69]

Of course I use private healthcare because then I actually get something done correctly and on time whilst at the same time paying for the NHS. So back in your box!!

Do your private healthcare providers provide emergent and intensive services?

 

[nun_hunter]

God forbid she’s having to do work whilst doing a job of her choosing! What’s next soldiers getting upset because they get sent to Afghanistan ?

It also must be nice knowing that she’s in a job for life no matter how currently unpleasant the situation is whilst millions of others face uncertainty of the likes never seen before.

Whilst I have no axe to grind with frontline workers as they are only doing there job. The whole organisation is riddled with inefficiencies that hold it back. Not to mention the obvious disparities in available care between post codes which is disproportionately unfair to many.

After seven years without the NHS coming back to the UK “free healthcare” system was a shock to the system at how poor it’s got.

The way the Tories have hacked at the public sector makes jobs there anything but safe and guaranteed.

You talk of the disparities between postcodes within the NHS but that's the same with private healthcare. Those who can afford to live in affluent areas and are all about the money can afford the best care, those who aren't as rich can't afford it. At least with the NHS (or the idea of it) everyone pays proportionately what they can and should and gets the same care.

 

[nun_hunter]

Do your private healthcare providers provide emergent and intensive services?

I'm sure he has a private helicopter and staff to collect him if he is involved in a car crash or similar traumatic situation and doesn't have to use the NHS like us peasants.

 

[Rasputin]

Do your private healthcare providers provide emergent and intensive services?

Yes it provides me with intensive long term care and no to the former because the NHS has the monopoly on that so it’s touch and go depending where I am in the country wether I get decent treatment or less decent. Which is my entire gripe with the system. Have a heart attack in Blackpool you will get top notch care conversely blow yourself up and get burned there’s no burn unit... whilst I appreciate you cant be all things to all people all the time it does seem like it’s in the lap of the gods.

 

[Rasputin]

The way the Tories have hacked at the public sector makes jobs there anything but safe and guaranteed.

You talk of the disparities between postcodes within the NHS but that's the same with private healthcare. Those who can afford to live in affluent areas and are all about the money can afford the best care, those who aren't as rich can't afford it. At least with the NHS (or the idea of it) everyone pays proportionately what they can and should and gets the same care.

That’s absolute nonsense regarding private health care unless you are so poor you’re in poverty it’s affordable for all. I pay £50 per month for mine which is nothing less than £2 a day. In an age when people are prepared to pay £5 a pint it’s absolutely value for money and boils down to personal preference of either spending the money on your health which seems like a wise investment or spending it on less essential things like phones etc

 

[pezz69]

I'm sure he has a private helicopter and staff to collect him if he is involved in a car crash or similar traumatic situation and doesn't have to use the NHS like us peasants.

I was just about to type that. Im sure he has a full array of specialities at his disposal, including a resus team, a full trauma team, a full blood bank with red blood and ffp... Not to mention everything else....

 

[Grannysmith]

Nhs is hiding!
When my father had covid they sent him home 10 hrs later. when i objected because my mother has dementia they said we dont care what you say we are sending him home because hes infectious!
Next thing you know our army will be refusing to fight because it might be dangerous

 

[User00025]

In the early 1990s I worked what was to be the very last year of the "old" NHS and the very first year of Thatcher's new "Trust" system. I can assure all that the amount of money that was wasted under the new system was phenomenal. The NHS has become a sacred cow when in reality is is and always was inefficient and costly. It is appalling compared to the French system. But at least then that money wasn't going into the pockets of SERCO.

As an analogy the old Royal Ordnance Enfield and Radway Green system was also inefficient and costly. But like the old pre-Thatcher NHS that was because it had an inbuilt slack. In effect the old NHS like the old Royal Ordnance factories rolled along in second or third gear with an ability if needed to then effortlessly move up to fourth gear. So yes in normal times it was inefficient and costly.

Some four years back my GP here in the UK believed that I may have bowel cancer so requested as urgent a colonoscopy after a near half year of seeing if this or that medicine would make a difference. Three months and nothing was arranged except a telephone appointment with the specialist so that on paper it could be reported back that the patient...me...had been seen by a specialist. Another four months and finally I had the "urgent" scan done.

In France where I was working at the time my wife then living there was registered with the French health service. One one visit to her French GP I mentioned about the colonoscopy delay in the UK. He asked if I wanted to have one done through the French system. I asked how long it would take. His reply was "If you've not eaten anything today and have an empty stomach and bowel I can book you in for tomorrow. If not I'll book you in for the day after."

The NHS kills people with cancer because it works upwards to diagnose. On the basis of assuming that whatever you have is the least worst and if the remedy for that doesn't work treating you for the next worst thing it could be and then the next worst after that until finally they decide that it might be cancer and decide to test you for that. Why? Because it is the practice of medicine done on the cheap.

The French system (as with most top rank health services) works the other way. It diagnoses downwards. It immediately tests for what is the worst case possible scenario and then when that is possible cause is eliminated tests for the next worst case cause and so on down. That has the effect that cancer or any other life threatening illness is detected early not left to continue to become more severe.

Anyone that thinks that the NHS is the "best healthcare system in the world" of that it is "free" is living in cuckoo land. It isn't and the amount of money in both direct and indirect taxes that individuals pay towards make it anything but "free" in real terms. Yes you don't get a bill when you use it but over the course of your three score years and ten life expectancy you've paid through the nose, and paid handsomely, to actually not get a bill when you use it..

Interesting that Enfield, to be booked in for colonoscopy the next day. Normal practice anywhere is two days senna tablets then the day before something that makes you go about thirty times. All to clean your tubes. How the Frogs could do it with dirty tubes I don't know.

 

[enfieldspares]

Interesting that Enfield, to be booked in for colonoscopy the next day. Normal practice anywhere is two days senna tablets then the day before something that makes you go about thirty times. All to clean your tubes. How the Frogs could do it with dirty tubes I don't know.

For the sake of clarity that's correct. But for the sake of brevity I expressed it as ""If you've not eaten anything today and have an empty stomach and bowel I can book you in for tomorrow. If not I'll book you in for the day after."

 

[Ade8mm]

Do your private healthcare providers provide emergent and intensive services?

Of course they don't as you well know. A leading question... (and something of a well worn chestnut) though I am sure Rasputin can answer for himself

 

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[Kjf]

Admin,

Can we have an emoji of two smiley faces hitting each other with handbags please ? Or 2 X female cats fighting?

I think it would be most useful in this and other threads , that seem to totally go off topic lol

And end up a bitch fest




Meeeow

Kjf

 

[Pointer]

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[FrenchieBoy]

I was with a consultant in Rochdale Hospital yesterday and he believes that we will be seeing most if not all of the country back in lockdown pretty soon. I am inclined to believe him even though I don't think that a lockdown will do much good. I hope he is wrong!
As for the front line NHS staff I have nothing but praise for them, maybe not so much for the "admin/management side of the NHS" but definitely YES for the doctors and nurses who are working their hearts out. My Sister in Law is a Staff Nurse and she is being asked to work every hour that she can, which she is willingly doing even though she was planning to retire just before this Covid thing started earlier this year!
From what the consultant was saying they are all doing their best to catch up on the backlog of operations but it really is an uphill struggle for them. He told me that the hip replacements that are being done in Fairfield Hospital now (Which is where mine will be done) are those that were booked some 12 months ago and that I should also expect to have to wait the best part of 12 months before they will be able to do mine! Not to worry, there are a great many people who are in a much worse position than me. I always have and still do raise my hat to all of the NHS doctors and nurses, we should all be very proud of them!

 

[Hayduke]

Why when lockdown was three months, and they had plenty of bed capacity in the north west, do they have a twelve month backlog? A question for mr consultant (inefficient leadership on £130k probably).

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Why when lockdown was three months, and they had plenty of bed capacity in the north west, do they have a twelve month backlog? A question for mr consultant (inefficient leadership on £130k probably).

That's a question that I can not answer and to be quite honest I don't much care about. As you say possibly the inefficient leadership/management that governs the NHS! All I will say is that I am happy to know that at last I know that they are going to do something for me to relieve the almost constant need for pain killers, all be it not straight away! As I said in my previous post I fully realise that there are a great many others that are much worse off than I am and they should take priority!
Whatever the cause of the "backlog" it doesn't change my respect and gratitude for the "front line" NHS staff!
Just out of interest do you know what the "waiting time for hip and knee ops" are up your way?

 

[kes]

It is surprising that a consultant who is specialised in something and trains to do something like joint replacements should have to put back any operations unless, support staff are busy doing something else or there are no beds which does mean the consultant twiddling his thumbs. There should be spare bed and support staff capacity in such a system and whilst some delays and postponements are inevitable 12 month delay is, for me, an exaggeration/excuse the latter to reduce expectation.
The NHS needs more savvy managers with medical experience perhaps? Maybe even a plan for emergencies ? Maybe even a plan of how to cope whilst maintaining a reasonable public service ? Still £134 billion, whilst larger than many small counties GDP cant be enough to run a service. Its more if you add in Wales (free prescriptions) and substantially more if you add in the spending on Scotland.
Most clinical research is done elsewhere so its basically facilities and running them, treatments, drugs and wages. It would be useful to see some health service comparisons like child mortality in Shropshire.