Omicron

[Bavarianbrit]

I am ambivalent about the whole thing, it just goes on and on like the Brexit debate did. I believe no one has the real answer just folks different levels of educated guesses/swags.

 

[timbrayford]

One death proves your point eh?
RIP truth.

It does rather, oh and by the way the truth disappeared nearly two years ago when Whitty etc. started all their b*llsh*t scaremongering

 

[25 Sharps]

This virus and all it's mutations are now endemic, one will come along that is more virulent, more deadly, yada yada. New restrictions imposed, soon passports and manditory vaccinations etc all for naught. Restrictions didn't work with the original strain and it sure as hell isn't going to work now. This is just a way that nature is going to cull humans back into line, and there's nothing we can do about it. For the best too, 7 billion is too many.

It's a bit jarring to think that we're still subject to the rule of natural order ain't it

8 billion, there’s 8 billion of us (well 7.9)

 

[Hayduke]

One death proves your point eh?
RIP truth.

Well he was bleddy good an e made us laugh didn't um

 

[finnbear270]

One item I find objectionable is the endorsment of Covid on death certificates, When it's obvious the person died only "Within" a time frame of testing positive, but may have had terminal illness of another type.

 

[downwind]

One item I find objectionable is the endorsment of Covid on death certificates, When it's obvious the person died only "Within" a time frame of testing positive, but may have had terminal illness of another type.

I couldn't agree more Finn. You could be run over by a bus on the way to get your booster and still it would be included as a "Covid Death" if you'd tested positive within 28 days!! Bloody ridiculous way to form the statistics

 

[Ade8mm]

This virus and all it's mutations are now endemic, one will come along that is more virulent, more deadly, yada yada. New restrictions imposed, soon passports and manditory vaccinations etc all for naught. Restrictions didn't work with the original strain and it sure as hell isn't going to work now. This is just a way that nature is going to cull humans back into line, and there's nothing we can do about it. For the best too, 7 billion is too many.

It's a bit jarring to think that we're still subject to the rule of natural order ain't it

Assuming something man-made can be considered natural.
(and that's a whole different philosophical debate)

 

[User00053]

 

[ashray]

post seven looks just like the shoppers in the orchard center as i drove by today

 

[Freeforester]

One item I find objectionable is the endorsment of Covid on death certificates, When it's obvious the person died only "Within" a time frame of testing positive, but may have had terminal illness of another type.

 

[Sinistral]

You know very well it's not just one person tripled jabbed who's died, so don't be silly.

The government has publicly stated triple jabs are only around 30 % 'effective.'
But try finding figures for deaths, and how many jabs each had.
If the figure made it look like it prevented death by a favourable level, you can bet they would be on the front page.
But they are not.

Err, you're mistaken there by a large factor . . . please check out what the Gov.UK website actually says:-

"Vaccines are the best way to protect people against COVID-19 and data from the UK Health Security Agency shows a booster vaccine tops up protection against symptomatic infection from the Omicron variant to around 70%."

25 million boosters in UK as public urged to Get Boosted Now

25 million people in the UK have had their booster vaccine or third dose as everyone eligible is urged to keep coming forward for the vital jab

www.gov.uk

What makes boosters more effective than the first two Covid jabs?

Analysis: top-up vaccines make important changes to our antibody defences, reducing the threat from Omicron

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rewulf]

Err, you're mistaken there by a large factor . . . please check out what the Gov.UK website actually says:

Whitty actually said it on TV, 'around' 30 %, another SAGE boffin, said virtually no protection at all without the booster.
So another dose of vaccine gives you ALL of that protection?

"Vaccines are the best way to protect people against COVID-19 and data from the UK Health Security Agency shows a booster vaccine tops up protection against symptomatic infection from the Omicron variant to around 70%

'Around' 70 %? Of symptomatic infection?
Seems a bit vague doesn't it?
What if you're not symptomatic?

Imperial college say maybe 19 % on 2 jabs Omicron largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses | Imperial News | Imperial College London
But having another jab of maybe the same stuff, boosts that way back up again?
Someone's pulling our peckers.

They don't have a clue, and are pulling figures out they're jacksies.

 

[mchughcb]

The word she’s struggling to find is ‘anagram’, but she’s on point in all other respects.

We had the same BS here. Wanted it approved in 2 days. But without the numbers it got held up for 2 week but went through with amendments. The opposition will tear it up if they get into power next year.

 

[Freeforester]

A little objectivity in an ocean of hype:



As for the “informed consent” and any reasonable cost:benefit analysis of taking yet more jabs for such a ‘threat’:

 

[Sinistral]

Whitty actually said it on TV, 'around' 30 %, another SAGE boffin, said virtually no protection at all without the booster.
So another dose of vaccine gives you ALL of that protection?

'Around' 70 %? Of symptomatic infection?
Seems a bit vague doesn't it?
What if you're not symptomatic?

Imperial college say maybe 19 % on 2 jabs Omicron largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses | Imperial News | Imperial College London
But having another jab of maybe the same stuff, boosts that way back up again?
Someone's pulling our peckers.

They don't have a clue, and are pulling figures out they're jacksies.

The increased immunity (70% per Gov.UK) coming from a booster is confirmed in your linked Imperial College report, so 'the government' clearly aren't pulling figures from (their) jacksies.
I posted the Guardian article because it highlighted the difference with Omicron, and explained how the body's defence wanes from the primary vaccination alone.
I don't really know the meaning of symptomatic, so perhaps you'd like to explain it to the layman?

Vaccine effectiveness against Omicron​

The researchers found a significantly increased risk of developing a symptomatic Omicron case compared to Delta for those who were two or more weeks past their second vaccine dose, and two or more weeks past their booster dose (for AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines).
Depending on the estimates used for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection from the Delta variant, this translates into vaccine effectiveness estimates against symptomatic Omicron infection of between 0% and 20% after two doses, and between 55% and 80% after a booster dose.

 

[Rewulf]

The researchers found a significantly increased risk of developing a symptomatic Omicron case compared to Delta for those who were two or more weeks past their second vaccine dose, and two or more weeks past their booster dose (for AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines).
Depending on the estimates used for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection from the Delta variant, this translates into vaccine effectiveness estimates against symptomatic Omicron infection of between 0% and 20% after two doses, and between 55% and 80% after a booster dose

0 to 20% for 2 doses.
55 to 80 % for 3 doses
In many cases of the SAME vaccine ?
Sounds like a crock of .....

And it's vague because it only refers to symptomatic cases.

I'll give you an example of more vague conflicting information.
A good friend recently recovered from PCR confirmed covid, bad cold type symptoms.
He then within 2 weeks recieved his booster notice at his GPS.
He called the surgery to ask if he was safe to have the booster , or if he even needed it, as he'd just had covid , and the early information passed out was you shouldn't have a jab if you'd had covid recently?
He was told by his doctor he 'should' be OK, and to come in and have it anyway.
He got a second opinion , who also informed him the jab was preferable to the actual disease !
What possible sense can this make?

 

[Pete6.5]

0 to 20% for 2 doses.
55 to 80 % for 3 doses
In many cases of the SAME vaccine ?
Sounds like a crock of .....

And it's vague because it only refers to symptomatic cases.

I'll give you an example of more vague conflicting information.
A good friend recently recovered from PCR confirmed covid, bad cold type symptoms.
He then within 2 weeks recieved his booster notice at his GPS.
He called the surgery to ask if he was safe to have the booster , or if he even needed it, as he'd just had covid , and the early information passed out was you shouldn't have a jab if you'd had covid recently?
He was told by his doctor he 'should' be OK, and to come in and have it anyway.
He got a second opinion , who also informed him the jab was preferable to the actual disease !
What possible sense can this make?

I would say you need it if I can get 15-20 quid for a few seconds work

 

[finnbear270]

SWMBO has been instructed to remove her work motor from the former village school grounds, It appears that the money machine that is Covid has landed here, vast amounts of
dosh being spent bringing it back into use as a vaccination centre , lots of electricians checking out the place & tarmac machines working, petrol slab cutters howling away all day,
Just hope they have the presence of mind to sort out a traffic management system.

 

[Rewulf]

Here's another chunk of misinformation.

Omicron patients start to arrive in Nottingham Hospitals | West Bridgford Wire

Patients with the Omicron variant of Covid have been admitted to Nottinghamshire’s hospitals.

westbridgfordwire.com

Look at the headline.
Then read the piece.
They actually have NO IDEA if there are any omicron patients in Notts hospitals.
But use the fear of omicron being 'here' to make you go for your booster.

 

[sikadog]

All this and I have some people I know in South Africa that are saying Omicron is as bad as a bad cold. Who do you believe.
The politicians are just Arse covering.