And utterly pointless if you've already had the original deadly version of covidThis is what you are looking for
The excess mortality is clearly documented earlier in the thread
Covid will f&%k up more people long term than any vaccine risk.
At the moment 90 odd percent of people dying from covid or on ITU because of it are unvaccinated....... the vaccines work to prevent death or hospital admission from omicron which may contribute to the illusion omicron is "mild" I had a dose of it over Christmas and it was pretty awful....
I can first hand vouch for the fact that there is a significant excess mortality from the unintended consequences of lockdowns and disruption the medical care test is ongoing
Mother nature will get us in the end I have no doubt
There's no conspiracy. The sad fact is nobody really knows what to do for the best whilst Mother nature decides whether she's finished bending us over
As with everything there are genetic and environmental factors that determine how likely covid is to screw you up (eg most Japanese have a different lifestyle and genetic make up to the northwest of England....and covid loves to kill poor people who aren't in the greatest of health.
Getting vaccinated is more about social responsibility and selflessness than individual benefit for the majority of young fit and healthy people.
Ken
Its not that, its just that some people, who knows perhaps the majority now recognise that we are but mere mortals whose time will eventually comeThe bottom line is yes, we need to wait for the virus and humans to get back into some sort of happy equilibrium, we are just killing time until that happens
Until then trying to stop people from dying and develop serious illness due to covid is a priority, vaccines and keeping away from others is a key part of that especially for the most vulnerable
of course its imperfect and politicians need to posture/justify their existence, and also in reality there is f&"k all else we can do about it (I'm guessing this is where a lot of the frustration is coming from)
The covid and vaccine and civil liberty related lunacy is very entertaining if you can view it in its context (I can't though it just pi$$es me off)
The doc who spoke to Javid not sure what his point was. I'd have had loads to say to the health Secretary mostly in words of four letters.....wouldn't have wasted time spouting about vaccines
Got to say no point getting natural immunity to further infection if the first infection kills or mains you though....having said that I'm glad I've just had covid over Christmas and can relax for a few months knowing I'm unlikely to get reinfected and therefore to infect anyone else but who knows. Won't be off to the footy anytime soon....
I'm baffled how blasé folk are when we are talking about real people dying and becoming unwell
I'm alright Jack, until you're not
At one point hundreds of excess deaths were occurring every day. It is heartbreaking that we have become accustomed to that and treat ongoing deaths with a shrug of the shoulders
Anyways I'm off back to my box to polish my bolt as don't have anything else intelligent to say as such conversations can become circular
A conversation that would be better had in the pub with a beer after a good day out in the field as I suspect it would make for an illuminating chat as it''s much more entertaining trolling and debating in person
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Was that before or after you realised that your philosophy didn't match up to your lived experience?
The 20 cases that have caused a city of 14m to be locked down in China were asymptomatic, so they must have failed some sort of test.
All that proves is that Omicron is no more to worry about than flu, getting run over by a bus etc. As for the vaccination most people may well have had exposure to covid by now and have developed their own natural immunity regardless of being jabbed or not.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Precisely!“If you listen to the language of our public health officials, they talk about the vaccinated and the unvaccinated,” Marty Makary, professor of health policy and management at Johns Hopkins University told the British Medical Journal last autumn, in an article reviewing a host of studies that described similar protection from vaccine and infection-led immunity. “If we want to be scientific, we should talk about the immune and the non-immune.”
Why living with the virus means living with the unvaccinated too
While the jab can make sense to those who are young, healthy or already had Covid, others won’t be swayed – and they aren't going anywhere
