One for the Gunners

[Donkey Basher]

Looking for some help identifying an artillery shell case that’s been bugging me for a while.

It’s being used as an umbrella stand & peeked my interest because the back of the case is totally out of proportion to the body.

The case stands about 30” high, the neck is probably about 18” long, there’s a shallow tapered shoulder & the body of the case is probably about 10” long.

The primer is missing & the head of the case appears to have been turned out on a large as there’s no screw thread in it. So no clues from stamping son that.

There are a number of stampings on the head of the case so wondering if anyone can help ID the case?

TIA

 

[enfieldspares]

Carl Gustav judging by the notch in the base. So any on here that were in the forces and in the infantry will know more than me. No "bottom" as of course the thing blows out at the back when it fires. So that's correct as is. If Charlie G it'll be 84mm at one part of it. LOL!

 

[long_range_rob]

How about this one then?

 

[Twodogs]

With regards the Charlie G, IIRC the casings were of an alloy material not brass which this appears to be. I don’t remember the pronounced step from body to rim. A characteristic of Charlie G would be a hole, like a flash hole, somewhere on the circumference in line with the cut out recess, which this does not appear to have. I would doubt that this was a Charlie G case.
One thing I do however remember is how blooming heavy and loud they were.
The notch would indicate a reason for precise positioning, this was usually to line up the primer with the firing mechanism. Are there any primer/flash holes in the case?
The absence of a base however would indicate a recoilless rifle of some sort, unless of course the base has been machined out.

 

[Husky]

Could be a Wombat case

 

[C h r i s]

No, not a 120mm Womabt/Mobat, or 84mm, pretty sure its the Swedish 90mm recoiless.

 

[C h r i s]

90mm PV-1110

 

[tozzybum]

I'd agree with recoiless rifle round ,time for Mr tape measure to have a look.
We had " Mr Charles" and the 66mm law only saw recoiless rifles on battle group training.
And as stated don't remember the rounds being brass.

 

[C h r i s]

OP said 30" = 762mm, the Swedish recoiless 90mm case is 760mm.. close enough!

Video here:

 

[Donkey Basher]

Thanks @Chris - I think you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one If any other proof we’re needed then the inscription it carriers on the case suggests it was presented to a British junior officer in Sweden in 1990.

Mystery solved

 

[C h r i s]

That makes sense! They seem to be quite rare, a 1960s gun that was phased out in the late 1990s. Only between 1600 and 2000 guns made (depending on what source you read), some footage out there of one that's appeared in Ukraine.

I have one of the cases also, yours is the only other one I've seen in the UK. The bizarre long neck section is to accommodate the fin section of the projectile.

 

[Donkey Basher]

Now the long neck makes sense as you say - obvious when you think about it

 

[Klenchblaize]

Could be a Wombat case

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Good to see I’m not alone in colour-coding my loads!

K

 

[Husky]

Good to see I’m not alone in colour-coding my loads!

K

But which one is the non toxic one