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Please respond to the Home Office Survey. BASC suggested answers
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Signed with my own agenda didn’t even know BASC had a response we was ‘meant to copy’. I have fond memories of my school years staying on the farm all weekend with an air gun and ferrets. I wouldn’t want young kids today to miss that-some of the best times of my life.
It’s not about basc, use your own grey matter.
Roestalker39
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As I said, many can’t / won’t and will just repeat bascs responses
Conor O'Gorman
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Here's one for BASC. On another Forum there was a thread about a member...who held ONLY an SGC wanting to make reloads using all brass shot gun cases. In his instance for an Enfield .410 Musket with AAA shot. But there are, of course, equally all brass 12 bore cartridge cases. These all use a standard Large Rifle Size primer. It was the considered opinion of many that under the current Home Office guidelines that an SGC only holder now can't reload such brass cases for shot guns as he/she can't purchase Large Rifle primers. The guidelines being confusing on the matter of what an SGC only holder can, or cannot purchase.
Well done
MAH
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The responce that BASC suggest for question 14 and 15 makes no sense to me.
Home Office firearms safety consultation - BASC
Home Office firearms safety consultation BASC is urging all its members to spend 5 minutes responding to a Home Office firearms consultation that covers airguns, ammunition components, high muzzle energy rifles and miniature rifle ranges in England, Wales and Scotland. To ensure that a...basc.org.uk
Took me 2 mins to do.
I reload. And I use several different bullet style/ weights for a given calibre.
To ensure consistency, I buy a couple of boxes of each at a time (3 wt, two boxes of 100, that's 600, plus the left overs before I restock I might have 700 or so Bullets for a given calibre).
Typically, police authorisation is 250 rounds of ammunition in a given calibre.
I never have more loaded ammunition than my authority.
The current guidance specifically permits this.
If I understand the BASCs response correctly, I could not have/hold 3 different Bullets wieght in the future, as that each box of 100 bullets would be counted against my authority.
PS, I know there is a lot of jesting on The SD about terminology, I am just hoping those who read this know the difference between a "bullet" and a "cartridge", and loaded "ammunition"as it clearly matters in this context
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nun_hunter
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It is wooly but my interpretation isn't about the amount but about having the component parts for making ammunition that you wouldn't have on your FAC. This would stop so called underworld armourers from having the dies, cases, bullets to produce ammunition that they have no reason to have or potentially for obsolete cartridges.
Put simply if you own a 308 but had all the components and tools to make 9mm handgun ammunition it would provide a power and offence to deal with that assuming there was enough to prove intent. As I said it's wooly at best and needs clarifying.
CarlW
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That is how I read it too.
In a sane world, I would have agreed with the proposal; however, I still said no, because I have zero trust in the urban idiots who rule us to make any sensible changes whatsoever to firearms law.
nun_hunter
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Likewise. As it is it makes not enough clear sense to support although I think I can see the intention behind it but until it is clearly laid out as to what is going to be an offence then I can't say it's a good idea.
I was going to attempt some sort of coherent argument, but no point.
BASC's stance on points 14 and 15 show that they are disconnected from who they claim to represent.
Then again, these are the same jokers who want you to buy tungsten or bismuth shotgun cartridges.
£35+ for a box of 25 'non-toxic' shotgun cartridges, £50+ for 20 rounds of 'non-toxic' rifle ammunition.
The message they seem to be putting across is that unless you are on £80k+ a year or living on Daddy's Money don't bother shooting.
BASC's stance on points 14 and 15 show that they are disconnected from who they claim to represent.
Then again, these are the same jokers who want you to buy tungsten or bismuth shotgun cartridges.
£35+ for a box of 25 'non-toxic' shotgun cartridges, £50+ for 20 rounds of 'non-toxic' rifle ammunition.
The message they seem to be putting across is that unless you are on £80k+ a year or living on Daddy's Money don't bother shooting.
Conor O'Gorman
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Today at 3pm, Bill Harriman, BASC's director of firearms, will be live on Facebook for a discussion on the consultation and BASC's position on each of the proposals.
You can also read more about BASC's position here:
basc.org.uk
You can also read more about BASC's position here:
Home Office firearms consultation explained - BASC
Bill Harriman outlines BASC’s key arguments and work for the latest Home Office consultation on firearms.
basc.org.uk
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Section 14 is not really clear. Either that or i am slow on the uptake. Would not be first time.
A couple of hypothetical scenarios.
If a target shooter with 500 rounds of .223 on his FAC goes to the gunshop and buys 1,000 small rifle primers and a large, 1000 box of sierra bullets does that show 'intent'?
Same shooter once owned a .222 that is now removed from FAC. He still has some cases kicking about and his die set is still on the shelf. Does this show 'intent'?
A couple of hypothetical scenarios.
If a target shooter with 500 rounds of .223 on his FAC goes to the gunshop and buys 1,000 small rifle primers and a large, 1000 box of sierra bullets does that show 'intent'?
Same shooter once owned a .222 that is now removed from FAC. He still has some cases kicking about and his die set is still on the shelf. Does this show 'intent'?
What minute deals with reloading consumables?
Free range rob
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Good question.
i recently bought a full set up for reloading, in the kit there was three different calibres of dies, spent cases, and a few random bullets, in theory I could have loaded two calibres not on my cert, (now only one)
clearly I have no intention of loading for anything I don’t own, but the third Calibre is one I shall be putting a variation in for at some point over the next couple of years, so keeping the dies/cases/bullets makes very good financial sense, but looking at these points I would be breaking the law, forcing my hand to get another rifle I don’t need right now, or sell the kit I don’t have Calibre on ticket for, neither option makes much sense.
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