powder storage

[Liveonce]

That's my point. Some people are suggesting it only applies to "Black powder", but that's not what the guideline says.

Agree but it is only a recommendation not the law, all be it a very sensible recommendation for black powder given it is an explosive division 1.1 smokeless is ”only” class 1.3

And if guidelines we can ignore them like certain police forces do with HOG2016 can we not

 

[Liveonce]

Does make you wonder what qualification or training FEOs actually need or get and why their is not a national tick sheet process they all follow to ensure national standardisation. Or is their? As it is each FEO goes about the job as they see or their force sees appropriate. Be like having different driving licence test standards depending on where you live In the UK.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

Does make you wonder what qualification or training FEOs actually need or get and why their is not a national tick sheet process they all follow to ensure national standardisation. Or is their? As it is each FEO goes about the job as they see or their force sees appropriate. Be like having different driving licence test standards depending on where you live.

To the best of my knowledge there’s no formal training or qualifications for FEO’s. Mine certainly appears to of been learning on the job.
If I recall correctly one force did start something it was reported in Shooting Times. However I cannot recall the details and it certainly is not country wide.
If I want to drive a Machine on site or my mate wants to fit and test electrics we have to prove competence. So why when it’s a matter of public safety don’t they.

 

[reloader54]

Does make you wonder what qualification or training FEOs actually need or get and why their is not a national tick sheet process they all follow to ensure national standardisation. Or is their? As it is each FEO goes about the job as they see or their force sees appropriate. Be like having different driving licence test standards depending on where you live.

word on the street round here, a fella applied for the position and was refused as his knowledge and experience of all things pertaining to firearms and the relevant laws and legislation was too extensive, when he questioned this he was told,, "you would encourage and increase people with firearms,,, we are aiming to reduce them."

 

[bluesako]

I wet store mine in a tinplate box with a loose lid. In between each bottle of powder is a filled with water plastic one litre milk container. I believe these keep the internal temperature moderated and if a container were to ignite the plastic on these containers would melt and release their water. Like the wet stowage I saw in Chieftain.

i tried that, i had it stored in the shower but the wife played merry hell with me, and my reloads didnt go bang bang, lol you gotta have a laugh aint you bs.

 

[ASHCROFT9491]

If it was law and as it suggest to store in 1kg tubs why can you buy powder in 3.5 and 10kg tubs

If law surely every FEO would be inspecting our storage of nitro powders

 

[bluesako]

well the feo said it was law ,bercs oh i meen basc said it was law, a lawyer friend said it was law, so what do i do comply? oh and yes other feo,s. will be checking your storage of powders bs. ps someone will be making alot of money selling these boxes so huury up coz the prices will go up methinks

 

[Odders]

I'm glad it says propellant "should" be kept in containers of no more than 1kg, rather than "must", otherwise those nice, money saving 2kg & 3.5kg containers of N140 wouldn't be for sale...

 

[sauer]

What’s the specs on this approved box’s to pass

?

Paul

 

[paul o']

Make a box £5 sorted 18mm shuttering ply if you wish mty.
but like some others have said i'v seen it by the ton in steel shipping containers not a wooden box in sight on plastic pallets ,seen it stacked in 30kg cardboard tubes 3n37 thats how I used to buy it from the head of FLO before he was a flo as an RFD , I wont box then mine there not in a closed airtight box and they wont be ! you enclose any type of powder inc saw dust and should one go off they all will ,i'd rather have one firework flare than a box of many going terminal ?

 

[Ryan f]

ive just learned something new i didnt know powder needed stored like this

 

[Blobby159]

word on the street round here, a fella applied for the position and was refused as his knowledge and experience of all things pertaining to firearms and the relevant laws and legislation was too extensive, when he questioned this he was told,, "you would encourage and increase people with firearms,,, we are aiming to reduce them."

Now THAT kind of reasoning sounds a might too close to truth and is both unhelpful AND damned worrying imho.. Can you relay here which force this almightily unhelpful admission originated in/from please 'riddick'??

A few re-applications of my FAC back I had a visit from a very approachable young FEO that hadn't to that date come across a .17 Centrefire rifle caliber and my .17 Remington fascinated him to the extent that he asked to be able to take away an empty case and at least one of the V-Max bullets I use in said reloads. I gave him a case that I had been using to measure the MAX O.A.L. which I had altered slightly at the neck with a Dremel cut that held a projectile just tightly enough to give me an accurate measure to the lands when I hand squeezed a bullet into that area. Also gave him a bullet from the three differing Hornady units I had that would fit snuggly into the neck of this altered case - a 20gr & 25gr V-Max and the old but still useful 25gr hollow point. He was quite chuffed if I recall correctly. ((Note that at that time the .17HMR wasn't a commercial cartridge!)).

I also remember assuring him that it would be SAFER in use - despite the huge differences in power and killing ability - than the humble .22 LR that he said was his main advice for new shooters on his patch who wanted something for vermin destruction. He didn't know that .22 LR bullets have that rather upsetting propensity to "BOUNCE" on hard, stoney and/or frosted ground whereas the 4,000 fps driven .17 pellets from my .17 Rem would almost always break apart under such conditions - even, annoyingly, when going through tall grasses etc.. - making that type of hyper velocity cartridge a safer bet from that standpoint.

I remember being both chuffed that I had introduced him to this very effective alternative for vermin destruction (hopefully influencing his following procedures with other like customers) whilst being more than a bit disturbed that the fellow coming into my home with the ultimate powers to give me a "Yay" or "Nay" to my repeat FAC request was sooooo limited in his actual firearms knowledge.

But it appears from reading that worrying post from 'riddick' that this kind of general ignorance is something that might really be being encouraged in the Firearms Officers who visit us every fifth year (at present)!!..

Bloody Farce init??... [emoji33]

 

[Blobby159]

well the feo said it was law ,bercs oh i meen basc said it was law, a lawyer friend said it was law, so what do i do comply? oh and yes other feo,s. will be checking your storage of powders bs. ps someone will be making alot of money selling these boxes so huury up coz the prices will go up methinks

I have the very distinct feeling that this IS a legal requirement, but that it is ONLY so FOR BLACK POWDER , and black powder (gun powder) alone!!

That is my understanding anyways..

ATB ...... and shoot safely

 

[Liveonce]

for the technical nerds among us ( I include myself in that ) this is worth a read as to why black powder is stored in a wooden box.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr991.pdf

 

[Liveonce]

I have the very distinct feeling that this IS a legal requirement, but that it is ONLY so FOR BLACK POWDER , and black powder (gun powder) alone!!

That is my understanding anyways..

ATB ...... and shoot safely

Explosive Regulation 2014 contains the extract I posted above ER2014 is law and the extract is from appendix 7 but it does use the “should” wording and hence open to interpretation hence for smokeless powder we have the 2kg, 3.5kg tubs and shops openly displaying the powder for sale.
But I think given the risk nobody would store black powder outside the wooden box and hence why the FEO expect it to be stored that way.

 

[Gunner]

I think this thread from last year had some good ideas which should meet requirements, especially Laurie's post #9: Anyone keep their powder in the fridge?

 

[Brno2e]

The only thing wooden used in my storage is the shelf it sits on.
I dont think my flo would know what was in the tubs and I was lucky he did not ask too much about my drinking habits due to mistaking my press for a beer pump.

 

[CarlW]

We have no central heating so I keep mine nice and dry, tucked in behind the woodburner.

 

[bluesako]

I think this thread from last year had some good ideas which should meet requirements, especially Laurie's post #9: Anyone keep their powder in the fridge?

that is what i stored my powder in but the feo said no no no no its got to be an approved box? wtf bs

 

[Orion]

that is what i stored my powder in but the feo said no no no no its got to be an approved box? wtf bs

You going to ask him to produce the documentation that states you must do it?

Explosives Regulations 2014

Page 100 onwards - note ‘should’ not ‘must’.