howa243
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In which case I misunderstood. So to clarify I do think that it is necessary to cull foxes and I think shooting is the best way of doing it.
Probably my strangest fox.
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In which case I misunderstood. So to clarify I do think that it is necessary to cull foxes and I think shooting is the best way of doing it.
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well I have heard all the drivell i need to now.
anyone can get caught out by a fox.
and his killing isn't restricted to inside the pen.
though I haven't ever had a fox in one of my pens I have lost up to 90 in a morning comming off roost and landing outside the pen.
suppose I hadn't done my home work propley.
get a grip cousin jack.
I am guessing you are under 20 or new to gamekeepering or just guessing.
stalkinginengland
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Well that just show how knowledgeless you really are then because I can tell you now that I have reared , released and presented more game than most on this site would think about, and that is the biggest crock of sh1t I have ever heard. In fact it sickens me to have even answered such a stupid comment.
sir-lamp-alot
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what i find most suprising about this whole post is that not one person unless ive missed the post has highlighted the dangers of shooting onto water i honestly thought yorkshire would have been verbally hung on here by the armchair experts or maybe just maybe someone has been given the benifit of the doubt when it comes to there safe use of there firearm sorry if ive opened a can of worms yorkshire but its just suprised me thats all and i honestly belive that the shot was a safe one due to your experience
cousin jack
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No, 50, and I learnt most of what I know from an old wild bird keeper. "Anyone can get get caught out by a fox", not if you have done your job properly!
bewsher500
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nothing wrong with shooting "into" water. the issue comes from shooting "across" water.
As the OP detailed it was shot from above into a quarry he clearly expected that.
rifle rounds fired into water at anything over 30-40 degrees stop at an alarming rate. very few survive more than a few feet.
those that are fired at a much lower angle still have significantly less chance of ricochet than a rifle round onto concrete or hard ground at the same angle.
there was even a myth busters program on not too long ago demonstrating the effects of shooting into water
www.yorkshireroestalking.
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you can see the ramp in the picture and the silt pond with the reeds in it below the ramp.
at least a 50 degree angle.
what was not safe.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
stalkinginengland
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When I started keepering we still sat under broody hens 100's of them, they went to the woods with the poults and were locked up in coups on a night.
Foxes used to dig or eat there way in.
No pens then but still damage.
And as mark has said if he was a wild bird keeper what did he know about laying or release pens??
cousin jack
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Well , my friend was astonished when I told him about your mishaps, he also wondered how gamekeepers found time to be on the computer at this time of year.He was a wild bird keeper in his younger day, he finished up in his 60's doing a conventional job with release pens but he still did all his rearing under broody's. I told him you said that you lost 90 birds to a fox coming off roost, he wanted to know where you where, I said maybe he was on his computer.
www.yorkshireroestalking.
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Firstly matey I am no longer full time keepering but stalking.
Secondly I have a mobile phone and can read this anywhere, even in a high seat or release pen.
Thirdly when you have 6+ release pens dotted about all over the estate how can any keeper watch them all in a morning and foxes roam where they like.
You have been caught out "bang to rights" mate and follow up posts such as your last show you up to being a keyboard warrior, not a game keeper.
If your mate was a wild bird keeper he would loose more wild birds "sitting" to foxes then i might in a pen (in total) or was he so good he could protect all of them in every hgedge??
stalkinginengland
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Ok well lets look at this sensibly. When I started we still had some bantams but were mainly under electric hens and using parafin incubators. A keeper had a thousand acres to look after. My first full time single handed position was private. We had 6 days and released 1500 pheasants. I could be everywhere nothing moved without me knowing. Now years later, 1st there are less keepers and more foxes 2nd we now have 60+ days and have to produce the game for that. The job has changed beyond belief. I spend a little time each day on the computer. It is part of my job. Through the SD I advertise and take many private messages for the stalking. I have to run the shoot as well and that means all this side that I hate. I have a mobile phone as does John that I can take emails from and web access.
35 years ago if anyone killed a fox in Norfolk the whole village came out to look at it. Now they are common place. We kill up to 100 a year. I mean no dis-respect to your friend. The old keepers knew there stuff but they had poison,traps,hounds gas all at their disposal until recently. I try to run this shoot with traditional standards but with a modern outlook. I am off out all night tonight as most nights at this time of year and only got in half an hour ago.
I dont want this to be a slagging match. I just left a site that did that but to pretend that foxes should not kill any birds and only do because I dont know my job and spend too long on the computer is nonsence.
Mark
35 years ago if anyone killed a fox in Norfolk the whole village came out to look at it. Now they are common place. We kill up to 100 a year. I mean no dis-respect to your friend. The old keepers knew there stuff but they had poison,traps,hounds gas all at their disposal until recently. I try to run this shoot with traditional standards but with a modern outlook. I am off out all night tonight as most nights at this time of year and only got in half an hour ago.
I dont want this to be a slagging match. I just left a site that did that but to pretend that foxes should not kill any birds and only do because I dont know my job and spend too long on the computer is nonsence.
Mark
howa243
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Hi numpty here. Dont imagine John takes much notice of those that disagree with him. Fortunately I am not one cos whilst I said it was not sporting I dont recollect John saying it was. Personally I think it unlikely that I would have shot it in the water and would probably waited till it got out but I dont imagine that my delicate sensibilities would mean a great deal to you.
cousin jack
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Don't recall saying I was a keeper.
cousin jack
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Point taken, and I realise the job has changed over the years and perhaps I should have phrased my opening post a little better. But, in 9 cases out of 10, if a fox gets into a pen, a mistake has been made. I realise we are all capable of making mistakes, but it should never happen more than once!