R.P.A Barrels question

Sharpie

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Are these the same people who make RPA rifles?

I also would like to know.

I didn't think that RPA existed in any meaningful way since the bust up, and the clever people setting up Steelcore and moving forward.

The RPA action just being a copy/evolution of the Swing I think, and hardly evolved since.


This used to be at the top of it's game.

Not so much nowadays. In fact I know of no one using an RPA action for competition nowadays. But I could be wrong.

Since then a lot of things have gone on, and rpabarrels.com shares the same address, Plot 3 Shipston Business Village, Tilemans Lane Industrial Estate, Shipston on Stour, CV36 4FF , as RPA SYSTEMS LIMITED

Company number 08112409

Who used to be based at PO Box 441, Unit 1a, Munday Works, Morley Road, Tonbridge, Kent, England, TN9 1RA

Which is where these things used to be made.

Then of course there is the dormant
RPA INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
Company number 11155997

Now, the impressive description of these buttoned barrels surprises me. Because RPA always used to get their barrels in from Border Barrels, made I think identically. Not the best that Border could do, but adequate.

So, is rpabarrels.com now making their own barrels ? Or their actions ? If so where ? Using the good people in Tonbridge or somewhere else ? I would be interested to know, not that's it's any of my business.
But a little more clarity, and justification for the cost, and what you get for that, would be of interest.

By the way, I would be be happy to talk, even review, and give my thoughts.
 
I really am puzzled. Because these sound identical to the ex Border barrels operation, moved to Birmingham when the owner got bored (or broke) and sold out (and sold out his staff in Newcastleton.) Now trading as Sassen engineering.


Straight question to Fibrewad / Michael Markham ? Do rpa barrels.com actually manufacture barrels ? Or are these just Sassen, re-branded ?

Though the (ex) Border Barrels man Dr Geoffrey Kolbe has now apparently re-engaged and is trading as Border Ballistics Technology, apparently knocking out chamber reamers, from his barn in Newcastleton.


As for who RPA are these days, well some clarification would be of interest. Because a trawl around Companies House generally makes for dismal reading.

I'm sorry if this seems skeptical, but there has been a long history of, lets just say, less than perfect management. Decent engineering, but frankly disgraceful treatment of some key people and workers who made this possible.
 
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Sounds great a visit to a U.K. based barrel manufacturer, would make a great Xmas present for someone plus the timing would work for the lifting of the lockdown!!!
 
From Michael Markham CEO of RPA.

Rather than let this rumble on, here are some precise unequivocal answers to your points and doubts. I am old enough to know that no good comes from engaging in a dialogue like this, but things have been said which cannot go un-answered.


I also would like to know.

I didn't think that RPA existed in any meaningful way since the bust up, and the clever people setting up Steelcore and moving forward. RPA was placed into Administration back in 2011 and the assets, buildings, employees etc were sold/transferred by Grant Thornton to the present day RPA Systems. It is not my place to comment on the somewhat subjective statement re "the clever people at Steelcore". We are sure they will be delighted and show their appreciation accordingly. As it happens, after an awkward start, we now are on good terms with Steelcore, and we struggle to believe they would be part of such negativity and dis-information. We recognise they make great rifles, and we leave the rifles to do the talking.

The RPA action just being a copy/evolution of the Swing I think, and hardly evolved since. It is true that the current RPA Quadlock and Quadlite are magazine derivations of the excellent Swing Action. Strangely the "clever people" at Steelcore rifle have also adopted the 4 lug action.

Swing rifle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This used to be at the top of its game. We agree it was a great design and product. We still maintain these actions 20+ years later. We now make a modern version of the SWING.

Not so much nowadays. In fact I know of no one using an RPA action for competition nowadays. But I could be wrong. We are sure that, amongst others, the US Marine Corps Target Rifle team will be confused by this comment. James Corbett (winner of the Queen's Medal at the Imperial) uses RPA actions, as do most of the International Palma Teams.

Since then a lot of things have gone on, and rpabarrels.com shares the same address, Plot 3 Shipston Business Village, Tilemans Lane Industrial Estate, Shipston on Stour, CV36 4FF , as RPA SYSTEMS LIMITED. Correct

Company number 08112409 Correct

Who used to be based at PO Box 441, Unit 1a, Munday Works, Morley Road, Tonbridge, Kent, England, TN9 1RA Correct. We decided to build our own factory rather than rent on the Morley Road Industrial Estate.

Which is where these things used to be made.

Then of course there is the dormant
RPA INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
Company number 11155997 Correct. We had a period of making our military sales as Rangemaster Precision Arms Limited. The use of the word "Arms" was a big mistake re UK Clearing Banks, and so we are in the process of moving our military sales to RPA International Limited (which is what is used to be prior to 2011)

Now, the impressive description of these buttoned barrels surprises me. Because RPA always used to get their barrels in from Border Barrels, made I think identically. Not the best that Border could do, but adequate. Prior to manufacturing our own barrels, we sourced from both Border Barrels and also Lothar Walther. Reference to "not the best that they could do, but adequate" is somewhat confusing. Dr Kolbe also looked after us and remains close to this day. We do not believe he would have supplied us only "adequate only" barrels.

So, is rpabarrels.com now making their own barrels ? Or their actions ? If so where ? Using the good people in Tonbridge or somewhere else ? I would be interested to know, not that's it's any of my business. As is evident from our Video at rpabarrels.com we are indeed manufacturing both high-quality barrels, actions and triggers at our Warwickshire factory. We do 100% of the work on our own machines (most of which can be seen in the video) with the exception of some fast 4 axis work on the fore-end of our military chassis' which we subcontract out. The good people of Tonbridge that you refer to are probably working at another Kent-based Rifle company, except that they make no pretence that they subcontract out effectively everything apart from their Prototyping work. This high level of subcontracting is becoming increasingly common in our industry.

But a little more clarity, and justification for the cost, and what you get for that, would be of interest. Interesting, yes; for some strange reason, we do not sense you are a potential customer!

Small Arms manufacturing is very challenging in the modern UK economy. We are far from perfect, we try hard to make good kit and look after our customers. We believe that we now do, but clearly there are those who do not wish us well. One less UK manufacturer seems in nobody' best interests, but we live in strange times.
 
I have read this thread with great interest and many thanks for sharing!!!
What is my interest?????
Well , if i remember rightly not long after RPA started up , i read the magazine articles on how these rifles were performing , my friend bought a RPA interceptor in 6BR and boy did it shoot well , so decided to get one!!!
The following is just my personal opinion!!!
My first one was the interceptor in 243 Ackley improved , I shot this for F-Class / long range varmint and a stalking rifle too!!
Just like my friends 6BR - it was very accurate and i loved the 2 stage trigger units!!!
I then part exed the rifle for a RPA in 6.5-284 which i enjoyed very much too!!!
Now as for factory visits , at the time i had a kind invite to Sussex to do some Fallow stalking as a thank you for helping a friends and whilst up visiting these friends , they arranged a surprise visit for me , to the RPA premises!!!
All i can say was , i was made to feel very welcome and was shown more of the rifles etc and had a good chat , even sorted me something to take home with me and got thanked for using their rifles and was open to my experinces using the rifles!!!
So my dealings with them was very positive!!!
Many thanks for reading...............
 
Somewhat bizarrely I seem to remember my stepmother had a connection and RPA (whilst based in Tonbridge) fell under, or were connected to Jiskoot Engineering in Tunbridge Wells?

Anyway, any small arms manufacturing in the UK is a good thing, and more success is wished to all involved....
 
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