Restricted components of Modular Moderators - What are they!?

Edinburgh Rifles

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During a routine discussion recently I lodged an official request for a Police response to the above question

With so many modular moderators on the market there is a potential for breach of the Firearms Act and Licensing due to vague interpretation by various authorities

Consider DPT moderators for example

- Threaded rear section of an open chamber
- Baffle stack
http://legislation.data.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/57/data.htm?wrap=true

"1)In this Act, the expression “firearm” means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged and includes—
(a)any prohibited weapon, whether it is such a lethal weapon as aforesaid or not; and
(b)any component part of such a lethal or prohibited weapon; and
(c)any accessory to any such weapon designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon;

and so much of section 1 of this Act as excludes any description of firearm from the category of firearms to which that section applies shall be construed as also excluding component parts of, and accessories to, firearms of that description."

The component with the design feature to reduce noise in this scenario is clearly the baffle stack
The rear threaded chamber or in some cases just a threaded adaptor does nothing to reduce the noise or flash.

When I asked a direct question to the Police about a scenario where someone has two rear sections in different threads and one baffle stack
Is this considered ownership of two moderators or one
The answer was ...."TWO"
requiring two slots on the FAC for authority

The issue here is that baffles spares are generally being regarded by both RFDs and buyer as unrestricted.
Additional baffles, stainless baffles, replacement baffles to gas cut ones

Yet the attachment point is being viewed as restricted in spite of it being totally ineffective and not specifically designed to reduce noise and therefore not defined in law as a firearm.

Take it one step further.
if an attachment device (threaded rear section) is to be restricted
where do we stand with :
  • Thread specific adapters (MP5 Adapter for SL6)
  • Integral Muzzle brakes that are the attachment point for a moderator (TET)



So cat, meet pigeons...
Will update when we have an official response
 
For many years i used a Wildcat predator with two thread units and it was only ever recorded as one moderator, Talk to UK custom shop they openly sell all modular components for their mods separately without the need for a FAC entry.

Ian.
 
No ...

Component parts of Modular MODs are not S1 only a fully assembled unit is and only when used in conjunction with a S1 firearm
As usual the Law is unless and ineffective and only effects law abiding FAC holders and my top lies unless paperwork for the FEO
 
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No component parts of Modular MODs are not S1 only a fully assembled unit is and only when used in conjunction with a S1 firearm
As usual the Law is unless and ineffective and only effects law abiding FAC holders and my top lies unless paperwork for the FEO

FGYT, you have used a double negative so are you saying that components of a moderator are or are not section 1?

Ian.
 
Well, I ran the both lines through Google Translate and I still don't understand why the law is unless and why his top lies. :D
 
For many years i used a Wildcat predator with two thread units and it was only ever recorded as one moderator, Talk to UK custom shop they openly sell all modular components for their mods separately without the need for a FAC entry.

Ian.


Sadly UK Custom shop do not interpret the Firearms Act and dictate what shooters can and can't do with authority

Police Scotland currently indicate that a user with two rear sections and one baffle stack needs two slots

I wish to clarify this once and for all in writing
 
Sadly UK Custom shop do not interpret the Firearms Act and dictate what shooters can and can't do with authority

Police Scotland currently indicate that a user with two rear sections and one baffle stack needs two slots

I wish to clarify this once and for all in writing

There is no component parts stated in the act bit like saying a spare stock needs a slot because the police feel it should

I know a Moderator manufacturer who had checked with the home office etc and its fine to send parts they sent restricted
 
Sadly UK Custom shop do not interpret the Firearms Act and dictate what shooters can and can't do with authority

Police Scotland currently indicate that a user with two rear sections and one baffle stack needs two slots

I wish to clarify this once and for all in writing
I had 1 rear section and 2 baffle stacks and Police Scotland told me I need 2 slots, 1 for each baffle stack, go figure.
 
Sadly UK Custom shop do not interpret the Firearms Act and dictate what shooters can and can't do with authority

Police Scotland currently indicate that a user with two rear sections and one baffle stack needs two slots

I wish to clarify this once and for all in writing



How they can tell whether the rear sections would be for a Sec. 1 rifle, or a Sec. 2 .410 shotgun?
 
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the whole moderator saga is a complete farce

Ian.

Absolutely. Can anyone give a reason why they need to be controlled in this day and age? Certainly not to keep them out of the hands of criminals, since you can just go and buy them "for my air rifle". And the only way they are remotely dangerous is as a blunt instrument, but with ever lighter offerings, they aren't even much good at that.
 
I have a DPT and have ordered a "magnum" threaded rear section (basically a larger overbarrel/reflex rear section) for my S&L. As I already have a moderator for that rifle (rear reflex section and baffle stack) my FLO told me I needed to either to replace the rear section (ie apply for a like-4-like variation) or apply for an additional slot (to hold 2 rear threaded sections). He added that I could buy as many baffle stacks/additional baffles as I liked.

I see his logic, in that a front section is, on its own, unable to diminish the noise or flash but a rear/threaded section which is designed to fit a set of baffles turns the complete assembly into a restricted item.

It's a mess and needs tidying.
I would like to see moderators become unrestricted but that isn't going to happen, perhaps a compromise would be to keep them as S1 but allow the certificate holder to own multiple moderators per rifle. That (hopefully) would drop the price, it's madness that you can pay less for a washing machine than a moderator.

Back to the original point, I will abide/comply with the rule that each threaded rear section that I hold (which has the ability to screw baffles onto) will relate to a slot on my FAC.
 
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I have asked this in a previous thread and never received an answer. It's not surprise really. I'd consider (if I made up the laws) that mods were a bit like ammunition. The components only become restricted once assembled. So you can have as many different bits of a mod as you like, but how many full ones can you make at the same time. If the answer is one, then it's one slot. If you have enough to make 3 regardless of your calibre / rifle requirements then perhaps you should have 3 slots?

However, all of this is supposed to combat illegal ownership of firearms etc. And in that I agree that restricting mods in anyway to an existing FAC holder is all rather academic.
 
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However, all of this is supposed to combat illegal ownership of firearms etc. And in that I agree that restricting mods in anyway to an existing FAC holder is all rather academic.

Academic and pointless.

How about a campaign by the SD massive to write to our MPs and Police commissioners pointing out the ridiculous situation that a moderator is viewed as a slot on an FAC with the same status as a rifle, and must waste so much Police time and public money regulating something which can be bought over the counter for an air rifle?

Why have SACS and the CA (and the police themselves) done nothing about this I wonder?

Alan
 
How many criminals actually bother to use moderators? There will no doubt be lots of Government figures collected and squirreled away by the likes of NaBIS, so I'm sure the correct FOI request would reveal the true extent of the 'problem'.

I'm unsure of when and why moderators were added to the firearms legislation. Could even have been an off shoot of some nebulous piece of Euro legislation which brought in the likes of the expanding ammo ban.

About time moderators were no longer counted as firearms - I truly struggle to see how they are a significant risk to public safety. They missed a trick not including a change of status for them in the recent Policing and Crime Act 2017.

hh
 
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