Ridiculous rates for ammunition will end recreational shooting

I'm glad I reload! And ample amounts in stock for a good while, I was lucky enough to pick up 300 6.5 pro hunters 120 grain while in a shop the other week couldn't believe my luck the old price of £32.99 box 100 lookd on Internet they are now over £40 a box if you can get them bought 1000 Winchester large rifle primers come in trays of 250 £3 a tray bought last four trays that someone brought into the shop as they were giving up shooting looking forward to see how I get on with them wether better than cci!

I will use lead for everything I can get away with using it for, I will buy non toxic heads and use sparingly when I'm pushed to use them!

Has anybody lookd into lathe'ing their own non toxic bullet head 🤔 is it worth pursuing?
 
sharkbait said:
I'm glad I reload! And ample amounts in stock for a good while, I was lucky enough to pick up 300 6.5 pro hunters 120 grain while in a shop the other week couldn't believe my luck the old price of £32.99 box 100 lookd on Internet they are now over £40 a box if you can get them bought 1000 Winchester large rifle primers come in trays of 250 £3 a tray bought last four trays that someone brought into the shop as they were giving up shooting looking forward to see how I get on with them wether better than cci!

I will use lead for everything I can get away with using it for, I will buy non toxic heads and use sparingly when I'm pushed to use them!

Has anybody lookd into lathe'ing their own non toxic bullet head 🤔 is it worth pursuing?
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Bullet head? The bit on the top of the bullet? Like the polymer tips?

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sharkbait said:
I'm glad I reload! And ample amounts in stock for a good while, I was lucky enough to pick up 300 6.5 pro hunters 120 grain while in a shop the other week couldn't believe my luck the old price of £32.99 box 100 lookd on Internet they are now over £40 a box if you can get them bought 1000 Winchester large rifle primers come in trays of 250 £3 a tray bought last four trays that someone brought into the shop as they were giving up shooting looking forward to see how I get on with them wether better than cci!

I will use lead for everything I can get away with using it for, I will buy non toxic heads and use sparingly when I'm pushed to use them!

Has anybody lookd into lathe'ing their own non toxic bullet head 🤔 is it worth pursuing?
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Careful with Winchester primers, have been known to etch boltfaces as they don't obturate (seal) around the primer pocket very well.
 
caberslash said:
I would like to see if there is any detectable lead present in cleanly head shot deer, when the head is removed.

There are sometimes copper fragments/petals left in the carcass after copper bullets are used, I have found these occasionally by eye, but there must also be smaller fragments present that I can't see.

Anyone who denies this has insufficient experience, as this happens with copper jacketed lead bullets too.

I wonder what copper does to a mincer?
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Probably not, but if the response from the game dealer is likely to be “take your custom elsewhere” why would you take the chance?
The problem with lead is toxicity, or perceived toxicity if you prefer, hence the voluntary ban, but its gamebirds that are going to get the ban on lead made legal. The game shooting industry is relying on the frazzled thread of legitimacy it gets from promoting its food product as healthy, green, renewable and organic.
Lead in game just won’t be tolerated, birds travel so the industry will push for a total lead shot ban.
 
dunwater said:
Probably not, but if the response from the game dealer is likely to be “take your custom elsewhere” why would you take the chance?
The problem with lead is toxicity, or perceived toxicity if you prefer, hence the voluntary ban, but its gamebirds that are going to get the ban on lead made legal. The game shooting industry is relying on the frazzled thread of legitimacy it gets from promoting its food product as healthy, green, renewable and organic.
Lead in game just won’t be tolerated, birds travel so the industry will push for a total lead shot ban.
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If lead is the new asbestos, what will we do with all the lead-stypahnate primed ammo?

Time to make bowhunting legal? 🤩
 
caberslash said:
If lead is the new asbestos, what will we do with all the lead-stypahnate primed ammo?

Time to make bowhunting legal? 🤩
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It‘s not on the radar at the moment, probably because its present in very small quantities and it doesn’t end up in the food chain. The objection to lead projectiles is based on the premise that they end up in the food chain, small shot is also directly ingested by wildfowl and some other birds and poisons them.
The lead content in primers does none of that.
 
caberslash said:
There are sometimes copper fragments/petals left in the carcass after copper bullets are used, I have found these occasionally by eye, but there must also be smaller fragments present that I can't see.

Anyone who denies this has insufficient experience, as this happens with copper jacketed lead bullets too.

I wonder what copper does to a mincer?
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Doubt something like this would do it much good, though they are pretty visible.

Ben
 
caberslash said:
Careful with Winchester primers, have been known to etch boltfaces as they don't obturate (seal) around the primer pocket very well.
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Wouldn't that be more related to the tightness of the fit and the case, so one brand of primer will be a tighter fit in say RWS cases than another.
We all know that some brands of primer are simply to tight to fit in certain cases, so the opposite must apply and some brands of primer will be a fairly loose fit in certain brands of case.
For instance I have found previously that CCI primers wouldn't fit in some Norma cases that I had but Winchester would. I am currently finding that so Muron primers are extremely tight in some Norma 8x57irs cases. It all seem to be down to microscopic differences in primer or primer pocket dimensions.
I can't say that I have experienced etching in bolt faces due to the use of either Winchester or Muron myself.
 
8x57 said:
Wouldn't that be more related to the tightness of the fit and the case, so one brand of primer will be a tighter fit in say RWS cases than another.
We all know that some brands of primer are simply to tight to fit in certain cases, so the opposite must apply and some brands of primer will be a fairly loose fit in certain brands of case.
For instance I have found previously that CCI primers wouldn't fit in some Norma cases that I had but Winchester would. I am currently finding that so Muron primers are extremely tight in some Norma 8x57irs cases. It all seem to be down to microscopic differences in primer or primer pocket dimensions.
I can't say that I have experienced etching in bolt faces due to the use of either Winchester or Muron myself.
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Sure, it's possible they are dimensionally smaller, but have you not encountered gradually loosening primer pockets on brass after several firings?

The theory of them not providing a proper gas seal upon firing makes more sense to me.
 
just been into my local gun shop to get my cartridges for beaters day, and a few boxes of 243/308 and was told everything has gone up some as much as £20 a slab, and a lot of things are out of stock, loads of non toxic said no ones buying it.
 
I have encountered loosening primer pockets after many firings but I've also encountered primer/case incompatibility on once fired cases too. The dimensional differences are almost impossible to measure using equipment available to the average shooter. When I first came across this many years ago I was baffled until a friend who worked in the engineering department of a local university took the cases and primers into work to measure them using some high tech equipment that they had there. Since then there's been a fair bit written about it by the likes of Laurie Holland.
 
I don't think soaring prices of ammo will greatly affect recreational shooters. Even at inflated prices, with the amount of shots on a typical stalk it'll not make a fantastic difference. Likely your fuel bill will be more. Even on a pheasant day, assuming you are on, say, a 100 bird day, you likely won't get through more than 3 or so boxes of 25. Unless you are very lucky or everything takes two bangs! And the ammo still won't be the most expensive thing for sure.
 
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