Roe Buck
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The Woodsman
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Seen first one today totally clean and white
Rhodesianjess
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Seen 2 younger aged bucks, both fairly scrawny looking body,clean as a whistle. One very large bodied buck, still with few shreds hanging, truly large buck. Not only in the body conformation but antlers are at least twice ear length.
So much for old bucks being cleaner earlier than young bucks
Just hoping that old chap spreads his genes, lovely looking beast.
So much for old bucks being cleaner earlier than young bucks
Just hoping that old chap spreads his genes, lovely looking beast.
baguio
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Perhaps the 2 younger aged bucks you saw were actually very old and hence this is why they looked scrawny? Young bucks cast much later than old bucks. That's a fact that I personally have never seen to be wrong. They would therefore still be growing antlers for another month yet.Seen 2 younger aged bucks, both fairly scrawny looking body,clean as a whistle. One very large bodied buck, still with few shreds hanging, truly large buck. Not only in the body conformation but antlers are at least twice ear length.
So much for old bucks being cleaner earlier than young bucks
Just hoping that old chap spreads his genes, lovely looking beast.
Rhodesianjess
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Judging by body shape, not old boys,no saddleback or thicker necks. Movement that of youngsters too,put them out of some cover when I had the dogs with me and the way they skipped over to the next wood indicated young boys.
The big old boy has the "senior citizen" walk,got a neck like a bull and his back is just starting to get below horizontal.
Plus if you're conversant with your ground you know who lives roughly where at what time of day,the 2 scrawny lads have been on me since pheasant season started. Old chap has come in from a large block of mixed woodland two fields off my boundary. It's only shot once a year by the owner, nice quiet place to be. On me now that light is lengthening,seen him going around my does. Lays up in the undergrowth surrounding a large pond, does his rounds to check out the ladies then home
Has that "what are you looking at" attitude,stand staring at the Gator before ignoring you. The youngsters hold their ground until you get close then off like a rocket.
The big old boy has the "senior citizen" walk,got a neck like a bull and his back is just starting to get below horizontal.
Plus if you're conversant with your ground you know who lives roughly where at what time of day,the 2 scrawny lads have been on me since pheasant season started. Old chap has come in from a large block of mixed woodland two fields off my boundary. It's only shot once a year by the owner, nice quiet place to be. On me now that light is lengthening,seen him going around my does. Lays up in the undergrowth surrounding a large pond, does his rounds to check out the ladies then home
Has that "what are you looking at" attitude,stand staring at the Gator before ignoring you. The youngsters hold their ground until you get close then off like a rocket.
Sometimes nature throughs out an anomaly.
A couple of years ago I had a fallow pricket with hard clean antler on 30th May, two months earlier than would be expected. Some of the older deer in the herd hadn't even cast the previous year's antlers by that date!
baguio
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Absolutely. The ones mentioned may be twins with a special trait? Who knows? For true youngster to be clean in the first week of March would be highly unusual though as most true youngsters and certainly most youngsters that make up my cull are culled in the first two or three weeks of April and are all in velvet. That's been the case in both East Anglia and Hampshire.
Going of topic a bit, but just to add to my story:
On the advice of someone who knows a lot more about deer than anyone else I've ever met, I have kept the forward pricket as a potential buck. The idea being that if he's naturally forward in one respect, he may be forward in other charactistics too. If he comes into rutting condition early, this will not only stimulate does to come into oestrus early, but his female offspring may also be slightly earlier breeders. If, as a result, I can bring the rut forward by even as little as a week or two, the survivability of fawns during their first winter will be considerably improved.
It's all fascinating stuff!
Rhodesianjess
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Some of the findings by the Game Biology Station at Kalo in Denmark re roe deer make you reread the findings. Eg a known yearling buck producing a gold medal head.
Taking things as gospel with any livestock is shaky ground,ask any farmer for tales re cattle/sheep etc and they can all recall anomalies.
Pellet Pinger
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This fella wandered past me on Friday starting to clean.
That's brilliant footage, thank you
The Woodsman
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Seen 2 clean yesterday one with a good bit of colour
roebuckboy
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So good to see !! Just been talking to one guy I go out with roe buck stalking who has reported 4 clean bucks , counting down the days until I can get back after them.
Will not miss dragging fallow around !
Will not miss dragging fallow around !
The Woodsman
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Last weekend there were two bucks either side of a 9 acre field, on completely clean and 5 points with a doe, the other was in full velvet and I think was 6 points with a doe and last years fawn, both in what looked good condition...all interesting stuff, will get books out again!
The Woodsman
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Very tall head. Long tines.but a bit on the thin side .but nice to see
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