Roe doe are so tough

[owenlee]

That isn't my experience. Here's a copy & paste of a post I made a few days ago:

"I've just had a look at my spreadsheet. I shoot a 6.5 x 55mm using Norma factory 120gr Ballistic Tips...

75% of my deer (muntjac, CWD & roe; average range 119 yards) drop in their own hoofprints.

Only 6.25% run more than 10 yards."

maximus otter

Need to try some of that ammo once I use up my 140’s

 

[Bavarianbrit]

The vast majority of what I shoot with .270 using copper 130g Hornady GMX Superformance drop on the spot.

I shot a roe the other day that ran about 15 yards.

I am shoulder or chest shooting and do get a fair bit of damage on small deer so usually end up cutting off the front end.

I am looking for a smaller calibre for muntjac, cwd and roe but am undecided on what to go for.

Wiki suggests (90–110 gr) bullets for varmint and small deer.

SIERRA .270 CAL (.277) 110 GR SPT​

 

[Tim.243]

vhttps://youtu.be/dEXPNUxyBvghttps://youtu.be/dEXPNUxyBvgWiki suggests (90–110 gr) bullets for varmint and small deer.

SIERRA .270 CAL (.277) 110 GR SPT​

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Nope 150gn heads.




Seems a lot of drama with Roe

 

[Sika98k]

Need to try some of that ammo once I use up my 140’s

When I used Norma 120gr ballistic tips I found them very destructive on meat. Moving up to the Norma 156gr Oryx bullet I found more satisfactory in terminal performance.
I no longer use a 6.5x55, a nice 7x57 came my way. I still adhere to the big (175gr) bullets trundling along at a moderate velocity.

 

[sy247]

Wiki suggests (90–110 gr) bullets for varmint and small deer.

SIERRA .270 CAL (.277) 110 GR SPT​

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Thanks. I have beent thinking about trying some different ammunition. I have got some Hornady Custom Lite 120 gr SST which is 2675 fps but haven't had a chance to zero it yet.

 

[sy247]

Nope 150gn heads.




Seems a lot of drama with Roe

150gr in .270?

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Thanks. I have beent thinking about trying some different ammunition. I have got some Hornady Custom Lite 120 gr SST which is 2675 fps but haven't had a chance to zero it yet.

SSTs are rather explosive but the 150 grainers loaded by S&B I use on boar do the job well.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

150gr in .270?

130g is the classic wight but 150g are also common.

 

[Tim.243]

150gr in .270?

Yes, Boat tail 1840 also have Speer in 150's

• Sierra GameKing 150gr SBT (#1840): Designed for heavier medium game, providing increased weight retention and penetration.

 

[Nickb]

Seems a lot of drama with Roe

No drama from me , shoot them with .243 and most drop on the spot, of course you get runners from time to time.

If in Scotland use .22/250 , this absolutely floors them .

 

[Tim.243]

No drama from me , shoot them with .243 and most drop on the spot, of course you get runners from time to time.

If in Scotland use .22/250 , this absolutely floors them .

Quite, yes I agree but the running roe comments seem to outweigh the other runners, again the deer/foxes from my .243 hardly move always used a 100 now 95 gn round as on my ground you never know what might step out.

 

[Nickb]

Quite, yes I agree but the running roe comments seem to outweigh the other runners, again the deer/foxes from my .243 hardly move always used a 100 now 95 gn round as on my ground you never know what might step out.

I've always used 100 grain in .243 and it works.

I think maybe a lot of people shoot low for the heart I always go for a high lung shot or shoulder.

 

[sy247]

I've always used 100 grain in .243 and it works.

I think maybe a lot of people shoot low for the heart I always go for a high lung shot or shoulder.

Me too

 

[Tim.243]

I've always used 100 grain in .243 and it works.

I think maybe a lot of people shoot low for the heart I always go for a high lung shot or shoulder.

Each shot is different but I do come a little higher on the bigger deer, I shot a red one afternoon and he went down the ditch as I fired so it went high and spined him, then he was out of sight so I had to leg the 140 yds and get 10 ft away to put one in his neck.

 

[Nickb]

Each shot is different but I do come a little higher on the bigger deer, I shot a red one afternoon and he went down the ditch as I fired so it went high and spined him, then he was out of sight so I had to leg the 140 yds and get 10 ft away to put one in his neck.

Not every shot is perfect thats life but as long as it ends well thats all that matters .

I once shot at a roe doe aiming for the shoulder but as I fired it turned its head to lick its shoulder and I hit it in the head.

It managed to get into some gorse so no 2nd shot available. I gave it half an hour to stiffen up or die before crawling under the gorse to find it. After blood trailing it for 50 yds I found it still alive sitting there with no face , 2nd round finished it quick.

So sometimes stuff happens , its how you deal with it that counts

 

[SaOsborne]

Was out stalking yesterday on some land in Dorset when a beautiful Doe presented her self side on at 200 with a perfect back stop and feeling comfortable in my shooting position I placed the shot perfectly passing both lungs and the shoulder she still ran over 200 yards before falling was incredible how she got that far with the internal damage. I was using my blaser r93 in 6.5x55 140gr sst I’ve not used it on larger deer species yet hopefully get on a sika stag before the season ends but I may use my 270 barrel for that job because I’ve heard the tough deer. The carry back was a long haul on my back loved every second by far deer stalking is the best plus the rewards at the end of it.

I suspect the bullet had not fully mushroomed as they are darn light carcass, .243 does the job perfectely, though i have had them run as it takes time to depleat oxygen in the system and if any adrenaline involved, stby.

 

[wildfowler.250]

Lung shots kill by the deer drowning in its own blood. The lungs are full of blood vessels- think a tree, with the main pulmonary being the trunk, then going into all the branches.

If the bullet punctures the main artery blood loss will be very rapid. Put the bullet further back into all the branches, the blood vessels are much narrower and hence takes a lit longer to bleed out. A punctured lung is a pretty survivable event if it either self seals with clotting or you add a wound dressing.

The reason why animals have all their vital organs towards the front on the chest cavity protected the shoulder muscles, bones and ribcage is to protect against puncturing injuries to thr major blood vessels. This causes rapid death, especially if you also take out the major bundles of nerves.

And roe deer are a small target and it doesn’t take much to be a bit off target, and at 200m bullets are already loosing quite a bit of velocity and thus on impact will cause a narrower wound channel, hence the need to ensure the bullet is closer to the centre of the killzone and major arteries. But given most stalkers probably can shoot a 2” group at 100 when we talk about first round hit after you have stalked into something, are lying with a rock sticking into your side on a slopping hillside and your heart rate is up, such a group opens up to 4 to 6” at 200, so even if your shot is perfect, naturally dispersion of bullet can cause you problems. Wind - 10mph feels like a gentle breeze, doesn’t affect at 100, can cause a few inches drift at 200.

And even perfectly shot deer run. Nature has an incredible tenacity for life and I have had roe run 100 yards having been shot through the shoulders with the heart obliterated. Usain Bolt can cover 100m in a bit under 10 seconds. A deer is at least twice as fast as a sprinter so can cover an awful lot of ground in a few seconds.

As you get more experienced you will realise that longer shots generally result in a more difficult and longer follow up, and that taking them vs trying to get closer or waiting fir a better chance is often the easiest option. Once you have spent several hours with that horrible sinking guilty feeling of a wounded whilst search clear felled timber covered in braken, nettles and brambles on 45 degree slope in the ****ing rain and dark you will come to realise this.

Lungs have a massive blood supply. Even down at a capillary level for oxygen transfer. Yes broken ribs, collapsed lung lobes and fluid within the lung will all affect breathing ability but its the loss of blood that kills the deer rather than drowning