Yes he told me the same Kev!!!!!!!! And as i yet not a prob on my .25-06, and like a few on this Forum it does get used a "LOT"
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Yes he told me the same Kev!!!!!!!! And as i yet not a prob on my .25-06, and like a few on this Forum it does get used a "LOT"
JAYB
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WOW, that was a post and a half, you ever thought about writing a book or have you got shares in the site or something!
Im curious, after reading the posts and hearing the horror stories of Roedale precision, how is it that people never learn? Now I do appreciate that we have our problems from time to time and things dont always go according to plan...but at what point do you start think theres some things that just don't add up? Now can someone tell me why would you buy a sound moderator from Germany (Which may or may not arrive) when you can get British built sound mods right here? Why bother with all the bull, pomp and circumstance dealing with a German company or German product, what happened to supporting your own, surely theres little to gain buying in from Germany or am I out of touch or out of line?
I really am struggling to see the point of this post, it could almost be construed as trouble making. You seem to have packed a lot more into this post than you have in your introduction, here you asking for reasons for this that and the other and we know next to nothing about you. Do try and keep your posts relevant and constructive.
John
Claret_Dabbler
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Guys, sorry, I started this, I should have been back before now, but have been under pressure with work.
I did not intend this to be an opportunity to beat up a guy.
Pete has emailed me and offered to send me a mod on a sale or return basis for me to try out. I will take him up on this and report back with an honest appraisal.
Now, does anyone have the dimensions for a Blaser 15x1 spiggot thread that I can send to Pete? I am afraid my technical skills are not good enough to take accurate measurements of my rifles??
I did not intend this to be an opportunity to beat up a guy.
Pete has emailed me and offered to send me a mod on a sale or return basis for me to try out. I will take him up on this and report back with an honest appraisal.
Now, does anyone have the dimensions for a Blaser 15x1 spiggot thread that I can send to Pete? I am afraid my technical skills are not good enough to take accurate measurements of my rifles??
WOW, that was a post and a half, you ever thought about writing a book, bear with me on the answer to this ok, actualy I have had several articles on the technical side of hunting and shooting equipment as well as hunting stories in print. Also a section / chapter in a book about the history of sniper rifles, and although i hate to admit it on a "mans forum" i also have several peoms in a few peotry books in print. I have also started work on my biography entitled " A Riflesmith went to War" so the answer to your question is most definately Yes.
(just for a laugh i'll tell you all some leser know facts about the family and even me, a literary streak runs through the family,my great great Grandad was a minister and wrote many a sermon, my uncle Denis wrote the script for Pipkins, Rainbow,The Munchbunch, Lets Pretend and Picme. has several books including books for children in print, they can be found on amazon, he turned down the chance to write the script for Eastenders, quote" who the hell would be interested in watching a soap about the day to day life of a bunch of Londoners" big mistake uncle Den. he's also writen stuff for Radio 4. My Dad wrote many songs and peoms and was a bit of a pub folk singer in his day. My cousin Simon is the deputy editor of the Bridlington Free Press. going from the writen media to TV, if you pay attention to the intro and trailer to Blackadder goes forth, you will be able to make out my fizog doing an eyes right for General Melchett..I was once an extra in soldier soldier ( like a few squaddies where) and was in a documentary filmed by the discorvery channel lot that had to do with space exploration, not a lota people know that,, anyhow, fun aside, on with the questioning.
or have you got shares in the site or something!
nope, in true Yorkshire style, I say what I like and I like what I bloody well say
Im curious, after reading the posts and hearing the horror stories of Roedale precision, how is it that people never learn? Now I do appreciate that we have our problems from time to time and things dont always go according to plan...but at what point do you start think theres some things that just dont add up? Thankyou for your understanding and recognising that sometimes things go wrong and for noting that some things just don't add up, you are right, mountains can and often are made out of mole hills and if you sling enough mud, invarably some of it sticks,.
Now can someone tell me why would you buy a sound moderator from Germany (Which may or may not arrive) when you can get British built sound mods right here? Why bother with all the bull, pomp and circumstance dealing with a German company or German product, what happened to supporting your own, surely theres little to gain buying in from Germany or am I out of touch or out of line?
Out of touch I think. you aren't out of line for voicing your points. to which I willingly give answers. Fact of the matter is, the moderator is a British design from a company owned by a British Citizen, who happens to be a veteran and also employs other veterans, with one more British Army veteran due to bolster our ranks later this year as soon as his 22 years are up. The product is however made in Germany.I can't and dont want to denigh that, but German manufacture is associated with high quality and high precision. I can also absolutely garantie that we are in a possition to supply Sportsmans with as many moderators as they may require, be that 50 or 10000 per year. There is no bull, pomp or circumstance involved in supplying the UK, it is a very cost effective and buroctraticaly simple task. Other reasons may be that the product is the result of a British invention brought to its optimum by the involvement of the University of Applied Science, globaly a highly regarded technical university. A full years Dipolma study R&D project involving University Engineers, Students and Professors back up the product.That cannot be said of many moderators on the market today. The product is priced right and gives excellent price to performance ratio. and on top of that, providing it is accepted by the charity, for every moderator that we supply to Sportsmans,i.e. the UK. we donate a certain amount to Help for Heroes. So in buying this product you are supporting our troops.
I appologise if that sounds like an advertisement, but he did ask.
I assume you are aware that by far the majority of moderators in use in the UK are made in Finland-Scandinavia.
Now its my turn for questions.
Can I ask what type of rifle and ammo you shoot and where it is made? also can I ask what type of riflescope and binoculars you use and where they are made? and your stalking knife? and your boots? Clothing? Vehicle? etc. I won't ask which moderator you use, its obviously one made in the UK.
Claret, its more than likely the standard ASE UTRA spec. from shoulder going forward, 18mm long spigot, 15mm diameter, 2mm relief cut then 10mm of M15x1 thread, but if you could verfiy that.
Best Regards Pete
(just for a laugh i'll tell you all some leser know facts about the family and even me, a literary streak runs through the family,my great great Grandad was a minister and wrote many a sermon, my uncle Denis wrote the script for Pipkins, Rainbow,The Munchbunch, Lets Pretend and Picme. has several books including books for children in print, they can be found on amazon, he turned down the chance to write the script for Eastenders, quote" who the hell would be interested in watching a soap about the day to day life of a bunch of Londoners" big mistake uncle Den. he's also writen stuff for Radio 4. My Dad wrote many songs and peoms and was a bit of a pub folk singer in his day. My cousin Simon is the deputy editor of the Bridlington Free Press. going from the writen media to TV, if you pay attention to the intro and trailer to Blackadder goes forth, you will be able to make out my fizog doing an eyes right for General Melchett..I was once an extra in soldier soldier ( like a few squaddies where) and was in a documentary filmed by the discorvery channel lot that had to do with space exploration, not a lota people know that,, anyhow, fun aside, on with the questioning.
or have you got shares in the site or something!
Im curious, after reading the posts and hearing the horror stories of Roedale precision, how is it that people never learn? Now I do appreciate that we have our problems from time to time and things dont always go according to plan...but at what point do you start think theres some things that just dont add up? Thankyou for your understanding and recognising that sometimes things go wrong and for noting that some things just don't add up, you are right, mountains can and often are made out of mole hills and if you sling enough mud, invarably some of it sticks,.
Now can someone tell me why would you buy a sound moderator from Germany (Which may or may not arrive) when you can get British built sound mods right here? Why bother with all the bull, pomp and circumstance dealing with a German company or German product, what happened to supporting your own, surely theres little to gain buying in from Germany or am I out of touch or out of line?
Out of touch I think. you aren't out of line for voicing your points. to which I willingly give answers. Fact of the matter is, the moderator is a British design from a company owned by a British Citizen, who happens to be a veteran and also employs other veterans, with one more British Army veteran due to bolster our ranks later this year as soon as his 22 years are up. The product is however made in Germany.I can't and dont want to denigh that, but German manufacture is associated with high quality and high precision. I can also absolutely garantie that we are in a possition to supply Sportsmans with as many moderators as they may require, be that 50 or 10000 per year. There is no bull, pomp or circumstance involved in supplying the UK, it is a very cost effective and buroctraticaly simple task. Other reasons may be that the product is the result of a British invention brought to its optimum by the involvement of the University of Applied Science, globaly a highly regarded technical university. A full years Dipolma study R&D project involving University Engineers, Students and Professors back up the product.That cannot be said of many moderators on the market today. The product is priced right and gives excellent price to performance ratio. and on top of that, providing it is accepted by the charity, for every moderator that we supply to Sportsmans,i.e. the UK. we donate a certain amount to Help for Heroes. So in buying this product you are supporting our troops.
I appologise if that sounds like an advertisement, but he did ask.
I assume you are aware that by far the majority of moderators in use in the UK are made in Finland-Scandinavia.
Now its my turn for questions.
Can I ask what type of rifle and ammo you shoot and where it is made? also can I ask what type of riflescope and binoculars you use and where they are made? and your stalking knife? and your boots? Clothing? Vehicle? etc. I won't ask which moderator you use, its obviously one made in the UK.
Claret, its more than likely the standard ASE UTRA spec. from shoulder going forward, 18mm long spigot, 15mm diameter, 2mm relief cut then 10mm of M15x1 thread, but if you could verfiy that.
Best Regards Pete
Claret_Dabbler
Well-Known Member
Pete, that seems correct, and it is an ASE I am currently using. Front of the shoulder immediately behind the spigot, there is also a relief cut, looks like a 2mm radius.
Thar
Well-Known Member
Hi Pete
I wasn’t going to get drawn into this thread in part because as I have already posted on here my mate is one of the UK moderator suppliers, so I don't want people think I am knocking other suppliers, but you keep going on about the Delta being your design. The thing that intrigues me is the similarity to the A-Tec CCM, I seem to remember you were, or were planning on, being the European distributor of A-Tec, when A-Tec were launching the steel version of the CCM.
Is it pure coincident that the designs are so similar?
I am not saying that there is anything wrong with your moddies in fact the CCM concept is in my mind a good one.
ATB
Tahr
I wasn’t going to get drawn into this thread in part because as I have already posted on here my mate is one of the UK moderator suppliers, so I don't want people think I am knocking other suppliers, but you keep going on about the Delta being your design. The thing that intrigues me is the similarity to the A-Tec CCM, I seem to remember you were, or were planning on, being the European distributor of A-Tec, when A-Tec were launching the steel version of the CCM.
Is it pure coincident that the designs are so similar?
I am not saying that there is anything wrong with your moddies in fact the CCM concept is in my mind a good one.
ATB
Tahr
6pointer
Well-Known Member
Thar i think that maters not if pete has improved the product then good on him we need to see progress but what really maters this time Pete is your customer service. You let a lot of people down the last time you got involved with the uk market. People spent fortunes chasing you for one reason or anouther and most of it was your own stupid fault. You told lie after lie may i suggest this time you play it straight and i am sure you will do just fine.
Thar.
There is no coincidence in it at all. Anders and I freely swapped info back and forth.
I did the A-tec distribution for Germany brought JSA into the picture for the UK before bieng edged out and then inturn it was given to Pete Jackson, who it probably should have gone to in the first place, since then the original A-tec telescopic mod has been copied at least twice in the UK.
As I mentioned in the long winded post above, the idea of a screw one baffle into the other design is years old, i do not claim to be the first person to have done it or the last. The method is what I manufactured to convert a flashhider into a suppressor around 1992 and during my patents research i came across a modular patent from as far back as 1917 if i remember right.
Im sure that in my many conversations with Anders at A-Tec either on the phone or in his workshop in Norway that we discussed the ins and outs that he and I had encountered of the variouse design types which will have included the screw it all together design as well as other types, He possibly took some of what I said on board and I probably took some of his info on board, there was no secrecy declaration between us, just 2 enginners interested in silence who both came to a similar conclusion that modular was the way to go. as have a few companies. Any info I gave to A-Tec was given freely. There are more than 2 types of modular moderator on the market. No problem with that. The similarity in basic design has a lot to do with what works and what doesn't and the actual dimentions of the bar stock used in manufacture.
I can attest to the fact that the A-Tec CCM is an excellent mod, a big improvement over the original telescopic A-Tec design, with a measureable improvement in suppression, both of which where included in our testing to find out what worked and what didnt.
My original Delta baffle was bored from the rear in a cone shape rather than partly machined away, the R&D showed that machining the back end of the baffle gave a diffusion effect to the gasses, so we simulated several ways of machining the baffles, the half past 2 halfpast 9 configuration of the A-tec included, ( which is a design parameter dictated by the machinery they are made on) and we then settled on the 12, 4 and 8 oclock mercedes star positions as it caused less turbulance effect on the bullet and less own resonance of the moderator its self but gave excellent diffusion. The angles and geometry, length of baffles and of expansion chamber, as well as the internal design of the expansion chamber are differerent and the A-Tec parts will not fit the Delta parts and visaversa.
What you are realy asking is did I copy the A-Tec CCM. The answer is a catagoric No.
Choc, i didn't tell any lies, any miss information was due to me bieng back and forth across europe with my head up my backside dealing with too much personal crap and 2 jobs. eg. ive spent 7 days worth of 12hr shifts at the space agency, plus the extra work of bieng the H&S rep. I then fly to the UK to look after my Mam, whilst Dad is in hospital having is cancer removed, I haven't slept for 2 days and whilst i'm traveling in the car my mobile goes and some one asks me if thier stock is in yet, Ive not been in the workshop for 10 days and have to much on my plate. My answer of yes I think so, but will check when I get back, is taken as a gospel Yes. Then after a week in UK its back to the space job, and after another week its back to the workshop. I guess I got to a point when I didn't know what day it was, never mind who's stock was who's or who had called and who I was supposed to let know if the stock was in or not. What I should have done was close the business untill the personal stuff was settled. It was a mistake not to. But at the time setting up my own business was my only way out of bieng stretched across 3 locations. Some times it pays to take a step back, a deep breath and evaluate. But I was in too deep. I treid to please all of the people all of the time and was supprised when it didn't work. It was the most difficult time of my life and a few people with a grudge, jealousy or an agenda contributed to make it worse. Thats the past. well it is untill some one drags it back up.
Customer service is realy difficult when relying on others, the gun trade is full of talkers who don't fullfill and its always the guy thats the contact point before the end customer who gets labeled. I am personaly sick to death of having to explain to end customers that part X hasn't arrived yet and supplier X in the USA doesn't realy seem to give a damn. Its bad practice, a waste of time, mine and the customers and its crap customer service.
Our customer service today is excellent when we have the kit to deliver, which is the case with most of our own kit, it is as good as the supplier with the bought in kit, which ranges from excellent to bloody awfull. I won't say we don't make the occasional cock up, because every body does. But I and every one of my team have worked hard and continue to work hard to do the job right. I genuinly want to succeed and do a good job of everything I do, which means kicking out the poor suppliers and concentrating on the good and manufacturing as much as is humanly possible localy, where I can keep my eye on it, and bang on doors and kick butt when some one lets us down.
I did not come on here to advertise, I am interested in providing the facts, I do believe that we as a company have a lot to offer today and I would be delighted if my fellow countrymen would forget the past,accept my explinations, give me a break, appreciate my ingenuity and help me give the service and provide the products and the progress that is desired.
So it would be good if I didn't have to explain again about the difficult past, for some its like reading the same book for the 20th time. Lets just get on with the future and enjoy our joint interests. I'm open to help any of you guys ( an gals) out with my experience if I can, I don't expect to be ripped off or taken for a ride or have my leg pulled.
If my posts come across as advertising, I appologise, its hard to word replies without facts that might be construed as advertising.
Lets get back to moderators, I think ive answered all questions up to now. If there are any more, fire away.
regards Pete
There is no coincidence in it at all. Anders and I freely swapped info back and forth.
I did the A-tec distribution for Germany brought JSA into the picture for the UK before bieng edged out and then inturn it was given to Pete Jackson, who it probably should have gone to in the first place, since then the original A-tec telescopic mod has been copied at least twice in the UK.
As I mentioned in the long winded post above, the idea of a screw one baffle into the other design is years old, i do not claim to be the first person to have done it or the last. The method is what I manufactured to convert a flashhider into a suppressor around 1992 and during my patents research i came across a modular patent from as far back as 1917 if i remember right.
Im sure that in my many conversations with Anders at A-Tec either on the phone or in his workshop in Norway that we discussed the ins and outs that he and I had encountered of the variouse design types which will have included the screw it all together design as well as other types, He possibly took some of what I said on board and I probably took some of his info on board, there was no secrecy declaration between us, just 2 enginners interested in silence who both came to a similar conclusion that modular was the way to go. as have a few companies. Any info I gave to A-Tec was given freely. There are more than 2 types of modular moderator on the market. No problem with that. The similarity in basic design has a lot to do with what works and what doesn't and the actual dimentions of the bar stock used in manufacture.
I can attest to the fact that the A-Tec CCM is an excellent mod, a big improvement over the original telescopic A-Tec design, with a measureable improvement in suppression, both of which where included in our testing to find out what worked and what didnt.
My original Delta baffle was bored from the rear in a cone shape rather than partly machined away, the R&D showed that machining the back end of the baffle gave a diffusion effect to the gasses, so we simulated several ways of machining the baffles, the half past 2 halfpast 9 configuration of the A-tec included, ( which is a design parameter dictated by the machinery they are made on) and we then settled on the 12, 4 and 8 oclock mercedes star positions as it caused less turbulance effect on the bullet and less own resonance of the moderator its self but gave excellent diffusion. The angles and geometry, length of baffles and of expansion chamber, as well as the internal design of the expansion chamber are differerent and the A-Tec parts will not fit the Delta parts and visaversa.
What you are realy asking is did I copy the A-Tec CCM. The answer is a catagoric No.
Choc, i didn't tell any lies, any miss information was due to me bieng back and forth across europe with my head up my backside dealing with too much personal crap and 2 jobs. eg. ive spent 7 days worth of 12hr shifts at the space agency, plus the extra work of bieng the H&S rep. I then fly to the UK to look after my Mam, whilst Dad is in hospital having is cancer removed, I haven't slept for 2 days and whilst i'm traveling in the car my mobile goes and some one asks me if thier stock is in yet, Ive not been in the workshop for 10 days and have to much on my plate. My answer of yes I think so, but will check when I get back, is taken as a gospel Yes. Then after a week in UK its back to the space job, and after another week its back to the workshop. I guess I got to a point when I didn't know what day it was, never mind who's stock was who's or who had called and who I was supposed to let know if the stock was in or not. What I should have done was close the business untill the personal stuff was settled. It was a mistake not to. But at the time setting up my own business was my only way out of bieng stretched across 3 locations. Some times it pays to take a step back, a deep breath and evaluate. But I was in too deep. I treid to please all of the people all of the time and was supprised when it didn't work. It was the most difficult time of my life and a few people with a grudge, jealousy or an agenda contributed to make it worse. Thats the past. well it is untill some one drags it back up.
Customer service is realy difficult when relying on others, the gun trade is full of talkers who don't fullfill and its always the guy thats the contact point before the end customer who gets labeled. I am personaly sick to death of having to explain to end customers that part X hasn't arrived yet and supplier X in the USA doesn't realy seem to give a damn. Its bad practice, a waste of time, mine and the customers and its crap customer service.
Our customer service today is excellent when we have the kit to deliver, which is the case with most of our own kit, it is as good as the supplier with the bought in kit, which ranges from excellent to bloody awfull. I won't say we don't make the occasional cock up, because every body does. But I and every one of my team have worked hard and continue to work hard to do the job right. I genuinly want to succeed and do a good job of everything I do, which means kicking out the poor suppliers and concentrating on the good and manufacturing as much as is humanly possible localy, where I can keep my eye on it, and bang on doors and kick butt when some one lets us down.
I did not come on here to advertise, I am interested in providing the facts, I do believe that we as a company have a lot to offer today and I would be delighted if my fellow countrymen would forget the past,accept my explinations, give me a break, appreciate my ingenuity and help me give the service and provide the products and the progress that is desired.
So it would be good if I didn't have to explain again about the difficult past, for some its like reading the same book for the 20th time. Lets just get on with the future and enjoy our joint interests. I'm open to help any of you guys ( an gals) out with my experience if I can, I don't expect to be ripped off or taken for a ride or have my leg pulled.
If my posts come across as advertising, I appologise, its hard to word replies without facts that might be construed as advertising.
Lets get back to moderators, I think ive answered all questions up to now. If there are any more, fire away.
regards Pete
6pointer
Well-Known Member
Pete i am one of the ones that made your life hard mate and i will still do it if you call me a liar as you did but ,water under the bridge and i will take you at your word and hope this time everything is transparent to the consumer
Last post here and i will wish you well for the future.
Last post here and i will wish you well for the future.
Thar
Well-Known Member
Hi Pete
Thanks for taking the time to give a comprehensive reply, to be totally open with you I thought that you had taken the original A-Tec CCM design and refined it with a bit of R and D, I for one wouldn’t have a problem with that, after all plenty of rifle action manufactures have copied then refined remm’y 700 and Mauser 98 actions as a example.
But you say that Anders might have got his original design idea from yourself?
I take it that the old problems are now all behind you and all the customers that were waiting for rifles when you were having all your personal troubles have had there rifles etc?
ATB
Tahr
Thanks for taking the time to give a comprehensive reply, to be totally open with you I thought that you had taken the original A-Tec CCM design and refined it with a bit of R and D, I for one wouldn’t have a problem with that, after all plenty of rifle action manufactures have copied then refined remm’y 700 and Mauser 98 actions as a example.
But you say that Anders might have got his original design idea from yourself?
I take it that the old problems are now all behind you and all the customers that were waiting for rifles when you were having all your personal troubles have had there rifles etc?
ATB
Tahr
Hi Thar, i wouldn't say that Anders copied any of my ideas or me his, if you think about the maximum desirable diameter and length, divide it up into sections to suit the expected required volume then you end up at a certain point, there isn't much from this point on that one can do differently, very small details make the difference in performance from this point on, . I'd be happy if i in any way have given Anders and ideas or help. He was certainly interested to see our new develpements at the IWA this year. Most of the basic info on modular or anyother moderators is out there, if you read the books by Joniskeit, Paulson, Paulson-Parker & Kokalis, Waffentechnischen Handbuch from Firma Rheinmetal all the info is there, much of it is false mind, i can certainly say that our diploma study was a real eye opener. we tested every type of suppressor that we could get our hands on, some wher actualy supplied by the company who manufactures them with a request for the test data on thier models, which was provided by us free of charge, ( same goes for the muzzlebrake testing )
I'm currently working on a suppressor that is integral to a new design of semi automatic bullpup rifle, The design features a muzzlebrake that closes shut immediately after the bullet exits. We've tested the brake and it reduces the recoil of a .308winchester by over 90%. needless to say its patented. Bieng a lifelong rifleman, blocking a barrel off straight after the bullet and opening it again before the next gives me the shivvers, but providing the shutter is optimised for the ammunition it is working so far, gives me the willies still mind and it is at only the 2nd test phase.
As to the rifles, I wish I could say that they have all been delivered, but no, there are still maybe three realy long outstanding orders that are waiting on parts, it makes me feel bad to have guys waiting so long, but when they insist on certain parts and won't accept alternatives then what should one do. ?
One in particular is waiting for a wild dog sporter stock, that is apparently already shipped according to the last mail from down under. a couple of others we re funded because the parts where just impossible to get, and another we have done a deal for us to supply some parts. What we do do is make sure anyone who's waited ages gets looked after, some free scope mounts, a moderator etc thrown in as a thanks for the patience. Its me paying for the problems casued by others but its the least i can do as the end customer is even less at fault than myself when some supplier just cant be bothered,.
Building custom rifles is a nice idea, but the logistics of it are an absolute night mare. I think if your want 100 stocks the yanks take notice, but if its 5 its not realy important, hence the reason we are switching the whole business around from one of a kind commissions to small series customs based totaly on EU manufactured kit, even triggers are becomming available, rifles that are in the quality of a custom one of a kind, but that are ready to go off the shelf, or with a couple of options in max 3 months make customers happy. It shouldn't take longer that 3 months to suppy a rifle, but Tikka can't even manage that these days. I thinks this is the way many smiths are turning, It suits me because that way I am building the rifles that I want to build and consider to be optimum, rather than sticking a bunch of parts from all around the world together becasue some one ha a hard on for them. I'm tired of having to say to customers, sorry but there is no stock shipment in from the USA yet, and ive no idea when the shipment will arrive, we did get ripped of by our last 2 action suppliers, the last one couldn't deliver on time or in the required quality and then started selling my design as his own. But the way its set up now will work perfectly and we should be turning out some very nice actions soon. Stocks and actions bieng the biggest custom riflesmiths night mare and its great to see that here and there in the Uk and the rest of Europe people are getting on with the job of creating a reneasance in the gun parts manufacturing trade rather than sat about moaning about not getting stuff from the US. I think the EU is about to set the USA an example of Firearms Ingenuity on several fronts. Just look at the amount of actions, mag systems, stocks and other parts poping up here and there. It can only get better and improve customer service across the industry. and its about time too.
regards Pete
I'm currently working on a suppressor that is integral to a new design of semi automatic bullpup rifle, The design features a muzzlebrake that closes shut immediately after the bullet exits. We've tested the brake and it reduces the recoil of a .308winchester by over 90%. needless to say its patented. Bieng a lifelong rifleman, blocking a barrel off straight after the bullet and opening it again before the next gives me the shivvers, but providing the shutter is optimised for the ammunition it is working so far, gives me the willies still mind and it is at only the 2nd test phase.
As to the rifles, I wish I could say that they have all been delivered, but no, there are still maybe three realy long outstanding orders that are waiting on parts, it makes me feel bad to have guys waiting so long, but when they insist on certain parts and won't accept alternatives then what should one do. ?
One in particular is waiting for a wild dog sporter stock, that is apparently already shipped according to the last mail from down under. a couple of others we re funded because the parts where just impossible to get, and another we have done a deal for us to supply some parts. What we do do is make sure anyone who's waited ages gets looked after, some free scope mounts, a moderator etc thrown in as a thanks for the patience. Its me paying for the problems casued by others but its the least i can do as the end customer is even less at fault than myself when some supplier just cant be bothered,.
Building custom rifles is a nice idea, but the logistics of it are an absolute night mare. I think if your want 100 stocks the yanks take notice, but if its 5 its not realy important, hence the reason we are switching the whole business around from one of a kind commissions to small series customs based totaly on EU manufactured kit, even triggers are becomming available, rifles that are in the quality of a custom one of a kind, but that are ready to go off the shelf, or with a couple of options in max 3 months make customers happy. It shouldn't take longer that 3 months to suppy a rifle, but Tikka can't even manage that these days. I thinks this is the way many smiths are turning, It suits me because that way I am building the rifles that I want to build and consider to be optimum, rather than sticking a bunch of parts from all around the world together becasue some one ha a hard on for them. I'm tired of having to say to customers, sorry but there is no stock shipment in from the USA yet, and ive no idea when the shipment will arrive, we did get ripped of by our last 2 action suppliers, the last one couldn't deliver on time or in the required quality and then started selling my design as his own. But the way its set up now will work perfectly and we should be turning out some very nice actions soon. Stocks and actions bieng the biggest custom riflesmiths night mare and its great to see that here and there in the Uk and the rest of Europe people are getting on with the job of creating a reneasance in the gun parts manufacturing trade rather than sat about moaning about not getting stuff from the US. I think the EU is about to set the USA an example of Firearms Ingenuity on several fronts. Just look at the amount of actions, mag systems, stocks and other parts poping up here and there. It can only get better and improve customer service across the industry. and its about time too.
regards Pete
Thar
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Thanks again for taking the time to reply Pete,
The principle of sealing the moderator after the bullet has exited to trap the expanding gases in is not new, Keith Anderson in his book published in 1994 shows plans to build a very basic moderator for a 22rf that does this. But of cause to make one work on a centre fire would be interesting, theoretical possible of cause, looks like the bar will be kept being raised for a bit yet in moderator design.
I have to say that your decision to move away from custom rifle builds and towards component manufacture is a good one in my opinion, I was speaking to one of the UK custom rifle smiths the other day and as he pointed out there seems to be another company setting up doing custom rifles every other month here in the UK, whether the market is big enough or will expand because of the availability of custom rifles these companies will manufacture remains to be seen.
The way things are going the US will be knocking on our door for components rather than the other way round.
I guess as has already been said your name over here was pretty Sh1t over here for a while, looks like you are now well aware what is need to turn things around. Is Thomas still working for you?
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Tahr
The principle of sealing the moderator after the bullet has exited to trap the expanding gases in is not new, Keith Anderson in his book published in 1994 shows plans to build a very basic moderator for a 22rf that does this. But of cause to make one work on a centre fire would be interesting, theoretical possible of cause, looks like the bar will be kept being raised for a bit yet in moderator design.
I have to say that your decision to move away from custom rifle builds and towards component manufacture is a good one in my opinion, I was speaking to one of the UK custom rifle smiths the other day and as he pointed out there seems to be another company setting up doing custom rifles every other month here in the UK, whether the market is big enough or will expand because of the availability of custom rifles these companies will manufacture remains to be seen.
The way things are going the US will be knocking on our door for components rather than the other way round.
I guess as has already been said your name over here was pretty Sh1t over here for a while, looks like you are now well aware what is need to turn things around. Is Thomas still working for you?
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Tahr
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