I have a S&B hungarian 8x56 30mm which when purchased was about £200 cheaper than the equivalant Swaro. Now in an effort to reduce weight I am thinking of swapping over to a Swaro 8x56 which I believe is about 6oz lighter. As regards quality is their much difference between the two as most of my mates suggest sticking with the S&B?
S&B or Swaro
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Triggermortis
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Try a Zeiss 3x12x50 Duralyt I.R at about £800, all the scope you'll ever need, it weighs next to nothing and the optics are exellent, i Have an S&B 8x56 on my 17hmr, it's exellent value for money and probably can't be beaten in that respect, but the Zeiss in in another class.
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caorach
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I compared the 8X56 S&B with the Swaro one evening in failing light. The Swaro is lighter though I guess it might be less robust as a result. The Swaro appears to give a better image but when we looked we found that in terms of light gathering there was next to nothing between the two. We concluded that the Swaro image feels better because there was a slightly wider field of view. In terms of light gathering and the ability to see the target we decided that one was as good as the other.
Claret_Dabbler
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I would go with the Swaro 8x50 rather than the 56mm. The 50mm seems much trimmer and lighter to me.
In fact, I am developing a dislike of 56mm scope's, and a real appreciaton of 42mm scopes. All that weight set high above the rifle action does nothing for the handling characteristics of a rifle.
I have a PV 2.5-10x42 on my 30/06, it is nearly perfect I think. Might put a Z6i 1.7-10x42 on my 260 some of these days.
In fact, I am developing a dislike of 56mm scope's, and a real appreciaton of 42mm scopes. All that weight set high above the rifle action does nothing for the handling characteristics of a rifle.
I have a PV 2.5-10x42 on my 30/06, it is nearly perfect I think. Might put a Z6i 1.7-10x42 on my 260 some of these days.
forestgimp1
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Used to have a S&B 8x56 german made on my .270 and it was great. I was lucky enough to purchase a Swaro z6i 2-12x50 a 18months ago and can say it's the best scope I've ever used.
I don't doubt the figures but wondered if to save 6oz it was worth the bother
Brithunter
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To some people it is worth it which is why they pay a lot for rifles that are light weight. Remington brought out the Ti models to cater fr these very people and there is an outfit ULA in the US that specialises in light weight rifles and they are not cheap yet their order books are full I understand. Kimber makes some light weights again not cheap.
Once again it's not a new idea
and this clamour for lighter weight rifles etc is why BSA made the Majestic Featherweight back in 1955 or there abouts. To save that 1/4lb-1/2lb they hollowed out the bolt handle, scalloped out the left wall of the action, reduced the length of the rear bridge, used a slimmer barrel profile, hollowed out the walnut stock under the barrel and beneath the recoil pad only to find complaints about sharp recoil 
now a 270 Win or 30-06 using 180 grain bullets in a rifle weighing 6 1/4 lbs is going have a bit of recoil. By the laws of physics it must have. Also a light weight rifle with heavy scope uts more strain upon the scope moutns and scope itself 
.Scope manufacturers made alloy tubed models. Khales made the 4L2 and 6L2 models to cater for such people. Hensodlt and Zeiss made Duraltan/Duraltyn models. Whoever said :-
Got it right
.sir-lamp-alot
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i must admit im firmly in the s+b camp ive owned a 8x56 in the past and it was bomb proof with fantastic light gathering for low light work and i only sold it when i got another higher mag s+b, as for swaro yes they are good infact very good but i just dont know if they are worth the extra cash
Sir-lamp-alot, my thoughts exactly. I looked at both and could not see a discernable difference which was worth an extra £200 approx.
Mullbiker, the weight issue comes from my interest in an RPA thumbhole hunter at 9lb. If I go for a swaro I will save 6oz, if I change my T4 for a titanium from Lawrence Precision I will save a further 6oz and so on. It all adds up when you get the rifle kitted out.
Thanks for all your replies.
Mullbiker, the weight issue comes from my interest in an RPA thumbhole hunter at 9lb. If I go for a swaro I will save 6oz, if I change my T4 for a titanium from Lawrence Precision I will save a further 6oz and so on. It all adds up when you get the rifle kitted out.
Thanks for all your replies.
I take your point 9lb sounds like a load to carry.I suppose it depends how it is carried and I can only
speak from personal experience. I only stalk reds on open hill and rifle is carried in slip[canvas with double straps] until the shot is about to be taken.
I have carried a number of rifles for guests some heavier than others and can't say I have noticed
much of a difference .
I would not get to wound up regarding weight but more with balance .
speak from personal experience. I only stalk reds on open hill and rifle is carried in slip[canvas with double straps] until the shot is about to be taken.
I have carried a number of rifles for guests some heavier than others and can't say I have noticed
much of a difference .
I would not get to wound up regarding weight but more with balance .
Brithunter
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It's interesting to note the comments on weight. I wonder if any have read the writings of Col Whelen? he claimed too light a rifle led to inconsistent shooting and for a hunting rifle it needed to weigh about 9 lbs. Of course he was fitter than many folks today me especially.
I noticed the weight when I collected that P-H 1200C in 25-06. The stock on it is HEAVY. The rifle with a S&B 6x42 in a Leupold Std mount weighs nearly 10 lbs add the sling B-Pod and P8 it goes nearly 12 lbs. I can only assume the wood is dense on this one:-
Yes for those keen of eye that is a Simmons scope fitted. I needed some different rings for the S&B.
It balances very well without the moderator but become muzzle heavy with it fitted. It's not rifle I would choose for long days on the hill. I have lighter rifles that would suit me better for that role.
I noticed the weight when I collected that P-H 1200C in 25-06. The stock on it is HEAVY. The rifle with a S&B 6x42 in a Leupold Std mount weighs nearly 10 lbs add the sling B-Pod and P8 it goes nearly 12 lbs. I can only assume the wood is dense on this one:-
Yes for those keen of eye that is a Simmons scope fitted. I needed some different rings for the S&B
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It balances very well without the moderator but become muzzle heavy with it fitted. It's not rifle I would choose for long days on the hill. I have lighter rifles that would suit me better for that role.
The Farmer
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I have the swaro 8x56 but 6 oz are you serious
I agree. Just take a dump before you go out! Job done
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