S1 shotgun

[Scottb123]

I just wonder the value of mentioning it at all seeing as it has nothing to do with your grievance.

I don’t know if ive come across wrong but I’ve no grievances

 

[Klenchblaize]

Why the issue of firearms ownership should pivot on the mechanics of a given fowling peice remains beyond my comprehension. Wouldn't the energies of those tasked with approving Licences/Certificates be better deployed in determining the suitability or otherwise of an Applicant to own any shotgun or rifle?

Just a thought

K

 

[Greenmist]

Needs section 1 and 2 for employment so he scraped through revocation. Just lost the section 1 shotgun.
Lucky lad, just showing off presumably but has had his wings clipped somewhat

But the original reason for possessing would still be there, you'd think a stern letter and a warning would suffice, shame they didn't say they were shooting at pigeons and crows going through the line. Can't fix stupid I suppose, wondered if the beater is asked back next season

 

[Liveonce]

But the original reason for possessing would still be there, you'd think a stern letter and a warning would suffice, shame they didn't say they were shooting at pigeons and crows going through the line. Can't fix stupid I suppose, wondered if the beater is asked back next season

would that comply with the General Licences ?

 

[Greenmist]

would that comply with the General Licences ?

I wouldn't like to say in this instance with the information given, underkeeper sounds like a tit who was showing off, but I think a bo((0cking would have been sufficient, rightly or wrongly I doubt the beater will be welcome on any shoots in the area

 

[reiver]

I would like to see 9 pigeons that need shooting at from a hide at once, unless it’s just one and you need 9 shots at it

Most shooting from a hide I find after 3 shots the pigeons are no longer in range.

Ah you sound like the person who say you will never get more than 2 shots off at driven boar so 3 shots are all you need .
I have Shot more than 5 feral pigeons many times around farm buildings . Especially when they are flighting from the sheds to the outside . Also good for roost shooting . When you apply for a sec.1 shot gun it is called a multi shot . No mention of how many cartridges the gun can hold . I know of some that can carry 12-13 +1 . Some have telescopic mag tubes to keep the length down .
There is no difference if you want a box mag or even a drum . Though they tend not to work reliably .
Also handy for shooting Canada geese off ponds and fields . When classed as vermin .
Plenty of keepers around here carry 9 shot Benelli every day for there work no Willy wavering with them .

 

[reiver]

would that comply with the General Licences ?

You cant shoot game with a sec 1 .

True but you can shoot deer with slugs

 

[VSS]

True but you can shoot deer with slugs

Snails hit harder.

 

[M@tt]

I don’t know if ive come across wrong but I’ve no grievances

Grievance might be the wrong word, but the issue of the police in the local area removing S1 shotguns from pest control.

That has nothing to do with the safety record of PSG, which is extremely good, by the way.

 

[Triggermortis]

That's the worry. That they may become s5.

A sec 5 shotgun can already be conditioned on a sec 1 cert as in a shot pistol.
Triggermortis

 

[enfieldspares]

A sec 5 shotgun can be conditioned on a sec 1 cert.
Triggermortis

Yes, that is absolutely 100%. Good point. I wonder of that is what might happen if we see this feared uplift of s2 to s1? As a s5 "shot pistol" is conditioned as s1 if held on an FAC by a private individual. But s5 is held by an RFD or for purposes of criminal charges if unlawfully possessed. The same as those now reclassified .442 Webley and .44 Smith & Wesson Russian cartridge chambered revolvers are all now s5. Excpet if held as s58 before they were reclassified and are now possessed by that owner on a required s1 FAC.

 

[Elshad]

I really doubt they are going to move current S1 shotguns to S5 only to then exempt a load of people by conditioning S5s to be held on FACs in the same way as Brococks and Section 7.1/7.3 pistols

It would be an administrative nightmare - the numbers would be far higher than Brococks / heritage pistols and unlike those two, S1 shotguns are held for reasons other than simple collection, livelihoods depend on them etc

 

[steve19]

I may be wrong but I assume practical shotgun is rather like the good old days of practical pistol and use open space danger zones, field ranges with no fixed discernible butts to catch the lead projectile if so very difficult to capture and recover the lead. Eg like a disused quarry for example.

Every PSG match I've shot slug at the stages have been set up on a rifle range and use the butts, some ranges also use removable ones, basically a huge box filled with sand that's been constructed and put in place especially for the match.

I can only think of one range that doesn't use a butt, (never shot there but have seen videos) exactly like you mentioned it's an old quarry.

 

[Liveonce]

Ah you sound like the person who say you will never get more than 2 shots off at driven boar so 3 shots are all you need .
I have Shot more than 5 feral pigeons many times around farm buildings . Especially when they are flighting from the sheds to the outside . Also good for roost shooting . When you apply for a sec.1 shot gun it is called a multi shot . No mention of how many cartridges the gun can hold . I know of some that can carry 12-13 +1 . Some have telescopic mag tubes to keep the length down .
There is no difference if you want a box mag or even a drum . Though they tend not to work reliably .
Also handy for shooting Canada geese off ponds and fields . When classed as vermin .
Plenty of keepers around here carry 9 shot Benelli every day for there work no Willy wavering with them .

I am not suggesting there is not reason to posses section 1 shotguns, under the correct circumstances they are a useful tool to have in the cabinet.

Just my experience the least likely reason is when pigeon shooting from a hide.

 

[Smallholder]

I may be wrong but I assume practical shotgun is rather like the good old days of practical pistol and use open space danger zones, field ranges with no fixed discernible butts to catch the lead projectile if so very difficult to capture and recover the lead. Eg like a disused quarry for example.

Yes, shot is often fired on old quarries, fields etc. I run slug matches at our club shot into butts designed to catch the lead so all lead is captured. Not just practical matches but many of the gallery rifle comps and some of those need six rounds loaded.

As for shot, it would be good if the zinc cartridges or similar sold abroad are sold in the UK, cheaper than bismuth and I'd guess less of a ricochet risk than steel/iron.

 

[Cyres]

I think multi shot would be very handy when squirrel shooting. My mate often fires 3 shots in succession on evasive squirrels. Many a time 4 or more have burst out from a drey they move v quickly and are v easy to miss first or second shot.
D

 

[Chris Richardson]

I personally can see fac shotguns being banned if all shotguns go into fac , think we’ll be restricted to 3 shots

 

[Outandabout-goneshooting]

I have heard (and as a result treat this with caution) that West Mercia is taking a very hard line on s1 shotguns and is effectively going to refuse them for pest control.

I can’t verify that so no real idea if it’s true. I have no reason to disbelieve those who’ve told me but they weren’t the people who were refused/not renewed, and it may be the people who were had a ropey good reason and so were vulnerable to this if an FEO actually examined their reasoning.

Part of me also wonders (and it’s speculation) if West Mercia are concerned that if all shotguns go s1, that everyone who currently has a s2 semi goes and fits it with a mag extension and so are laying the groundwork to avoid that. Perhaps they intend to put a 2 shot restriction condition on all the s2 that become s1…

For what it is worth, i had heard exactly this, that it was folks who, come to renewal were given a grilling as to the true necessity of a sec 1 rather than a 2+1 semi auto, and if the good reason wasnt really watertight, they had the sec1 renewal refused. Can't comment on veracity of this, but i have heard it from multiple sources too. Apparently catalyst was a theft of section 1 shotgun from an unsecured truck or something along those lines which has caused them to take a hard stance.

 

[25 Sharps]

Underkeeper local to me lost his 9 shot automatic last year. Using it on beaters day on their estate and forgot one of the beaters was a police officer within a week rescinded by Thames Valley.

Whoops!!

 

[25 Sharps]

I can remember the talking to i got when i had my S1 8+1 .

When my cert was handed by my FEO who called to my home ( who later became a friend of mine ) reminded me ,it's not under any circumstances to be used for anything but vermin , not even Hares . Control of pigeons only .

To be honest i didn't have it long , i got on better with a well fitted OU.

Weird thing is the are supposed to give an automatic condition for clays so that you can practice