Securing a 400kg gun safe

[doric_prince]

I’ve recently purchased a Euro grade 1 gun safe that weighs about 400kg.

Getting it into position was a proper challenge.

Now in position (corner of a room)it would appear that the concrete floor is not level so not at 90 degrees to either wall. When tight to the wall at bottom of safe it’s 12mm off plum at the top.

Is there a requirement to have a safe that could not be moved by anything less than 3 people (because of weight) secured to the structure of the house ?

Presume filler pieces should be cut and inserted to fill gaps ?

Thanks

Hello,

What safe did u get, out of interest?

Years ago I looked into large safes and what the home office guidelines said. From memory they do ref large safes, which can weight as much as of 1 tonne, not requiring fixing.

If you can fix to the floor, so much the better; the combination of both should be enough to keep the feo satisfied.

 

[GWP]

I bought a shotgun off a fellow just as the safes were coming into use two police sargents turned up to inspect it and wernt happy about it not being bolted down this was upstairs in a bedroom he said ok ill put the kettle on you bring it down not telling them it took five people to get it upstairs five minutes later tey came down empty handed and said it will be ok on going out one said he wasnt sure about his front door having glass panels his reply was take it up with the council its not my house the safe was a withy grove one

 

[Steff]

With Euro 0 and Euro 1 safes half of the weight is in the doors. If you don‘t want to be burried by it do yourself a favor and bolt it firmly to the wall.
I‘ve got a Euro 1 myself, so I know.

 

[moeggesit]

Some fire safes are compromised when drilled (really good ones are virtually impossible to drill) and unless pre-drilled should not be. Some when fitted professionally is glued in place.

 

[Steff]

Some fire safes are compromised when drilled (really good ones are virtually impossible to drill) and unless pre-drilled should not be. Some when fitted professionally is glued in place.

Well, mine is pre-drilled in the back wall and the floor by the manufacturer. And it is certified Euro Class 1.

 

[25 Sharps]

Nor I

My answer would be similar - no

I'd be curious to know whether you have a floating concrete floor though - block and beam might not be keen on 400kg

j

It’ll be fine if it’s block and beam, even if not designed for the dead load. It’s in a corner and it’s tight to the walls so the walls are taking a lot of the weight as the beam and or the blocks will be bearing on the walls.

Floors are regularly loaded out with multiple packs of blocks at nearly a tonne each during construction(they shouldn’t be but brickies are divas). The beams will take the weight but may flex and crack the concrete screed, which is why garages with block and beam have mesh in the concrete screed, to spread the weight and help prevent cracks.

 

[25 Sharps]

When I was at skool 20 cwts was a ton. Of course that has probably changed since metrication….

When I was at skool 20 cwts was a ton. Of course that has probably changed since metrication….

1016 kg apparently

 

[25 Sharps]

Agreed, just put wooden beading around the edges so that no gaps are visible
That way, plod can't say there are gaps that a jemmy might fit into (not that a jemmy would do much good on a 400Kg safe - but there's a reason they're called plod )

Cheers

Bruce

I had a gap on the wall, side and top, with the first safe I fixed, I used angle iron to cover the gap that had threaded dowel chemical fixed into place through it and used shear head bolts to secure. No way that was coming off without grinding all the bolt heads off.