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Fighting talk there Lee....but bloody awesome responseMy old Ruger 270 would chew up and spit out your rainbowspout she wouldn’t stomach to swallow
by the time you’ve figured out if you deer was dead my old bus would have shot 3 more and be looking for a 4th
Long live the 270 andthe queermoor
Lee...apologies for being picky ...but.... if I am figuring out if my deer is dead (deer no 1) you have shot 3 more (so 4) then you would be looking for the 5th deer and not the 4th...sure the webbing on your hands gets in the way but get a gripMy old Ruger 270 would chew up and spit out your rainbow
Long live the 270 and
Norfolk Deer Search
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Web hands, I might have, but it’s better than wearing Velcro glovesLee...apologies for being picky ...but.... if I am figuring out if my deer is dead (deer no 1) you have shot 3 more (so 4) then you would be looking for the 5th deer and not the 4th...sure the webbing on your hands gets in the way but get a grip
Total lack of experience there mate...I have a full velcro suit and gloves. This allows you to ambush the sheep and theres no chance they can escape with the amount of extra contact the suit givesWeb hands, I might have, but it’s better than wearing Velcro gloves
With aiming points I'd suggest that the circumstances of species, distance, what can be seen of the animal, the rifle and cartridge, the shooters skill, is the animal about to flee in fright, the time for the shooter to locate and aim at a vulnerable part of the animal, the intangibles of buck fever/nerves/self confidence/excitement all play a big part in the successful downing of the desired animal. There is one more point about aiming and that it is essential for the hunter to have a solid working knowledge of a deers internal anatomy. Many do not.
I'll confine my comments to those elusive shadows of our heavily vegetated and steep Aussie bush - sambar. Over decades of studying this deer species I have learnt from them how to move, when to move, the 'right' camo clothing including face mask and gloves and working with the breeze direction. All combine so that the chances of detection are reduced to almost zero. For years now I have reduced the distance between me and an unalarmed sambar. My usual aiming point is a frontal throat shot. But not just anywhere on the neck front. The aiming/impact point is a hands width further down from a sambars head length . This is critical because at the last second the deer may drop it's head and obscure part of it's throat. If he does that...and they are notorious for sudden movements...as you fire then the result will be a deer with its face shot off and sentenced to a painful, lingering death.
Distances from me to the sambar are very short...much more so than most would expect. A long shot for me is around 20 metres and normally fall into the 6 to 15 metre distances. No hold over to compensate for bullet drop needed...hehe. Calibre and bullet choice depends on my mood on the day and location but I'll leave these matters alone for this thread.
When I hit a sambar with a throat shot without exception it instantly rears up on its back legs and does a full backward somersault. Dead before it hits the ground. The damage is impressive.
I tend to leave other aim points alone and wait for my preferred hit point to be available. In the past I have used a chest shot but where I aimed depends on the rifle and calibre in my hands. I don't have to rush and settle for a second best aim point because the deer is not alarmed and not going to run off. More than a few deer hunters aim at the back end of a rapidly departing sambar but invariably they either miss or wound it. I also strongly dislike the frontal chest aiming point at a deer which is standing still facing the shooters location trying to work out what that noise was that it heard. It is a mortal shot but allows the deer to run off and often well beyond the shooters ability to track it down. Again.... more of this tracking caper some other time in a suitable thread.
Anyway...it's bed time here so I'm off.
I'll confine my comments to those elusive shadows of our heavily vegetated and steep Aussie bush - sambar. Over decades of studying this deer species I have learnt from them how to move, when to move, the 'right' camo clothing including face mask and gloves and working with the breeze direction. All combine so that the chances of detection are reduced to almost zero. For years now I have reduced the distance between me and an unalarmed sambar. My usual aiming point is a frontal throat shot. But not just anywhere on the neck front. The aiming/impact point is a hands width further down from a sambars head length . This is critical because at the last second the deer may drop it's head and obscure part of it's throat. If he does that...and they are notorious for sudden movements...as you fire then the result will be a deer with its face shot off and sentenced to a painful, lingering death.
Distances from me to the sambar are very short...much more so than most would expect. A long shot for me is around 20 metres and normally fall into the 6 to 15 metre distances. No hold over to compensate for bullet drop needed...hehe. Calibre and bullet choice depends on my mood on the day and location but I'll leave these matters alone for this thread.
When I hit a sambar with a throat shot without exception it instantly rears up on its back legs and does a full backward somersault. Dead before it hits the ground. The damage is impressive.
I tend to leave other aim points alone and wait for my preferred hit point to be available. In the past I have used a chest shot but where I aimed depends on the rifle and calibre in my hands. I don't have to rush and settle for a second best aim point because the deer is not alarmed and not going to run off. More than a few deer hunters aim at the back end of a rapidly departing sambar but invariably they either miss or wound it. I also strongly dislike the frontal chest aiming point at a deer which is standing still facing the shooters location trying to work out what that noise was that it heard. It is a mortal shot but allows the deer to run off and often well beyond the shooters ability to track it down. Again.... more of this tracking caper some other time in a suitable thread.
Anyway...it's bed time here so I'm off.
@John Gryphon, do you get this close to your Sambar? Cavhunt, how many deer wind you or hear and run off? Getting that close to any wild animal is very impressive but risky in terms of success? I guess maybe not recommended for saltwater croc’s, but still, that’s a skill…
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Neck shots are not always an instant death apparently….
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Cavhunt, how many deer wind you or hear and run off? Getting that close to any wild animal is very impressive but risky in terms of success? I guess maybe not recommended for saltwater croc’s, but still, that’s a skill…
No salt water crocs down here thank goodness tarponhead.
I retired early and and had lots of time to further my obsession with the sambar. I wanted to understand their behavior...aka what, when, were they did in their daily lives...aka their movement patterns in relation to different times of the year, what they do/go in bad weather, family group behavior, the role of a dominant stag, the relationship between the mature stags, stag relationship with the family groups, how they colonize new territory, what camo works and what doesn't etc. This resulted in my gaining very good bush and stalking skills. Many hard lessons were learnt usually signified by the sound of deer running off. So I spent countless years going in to sambar country generally 4 days out of 7 with a lot of consecutive days.
You mentioned success. For me this meant learning to get close to them and observe. Yes...I did shoot some but in more recent times I've only shot about one per year. It takes me a long time to eat a sambar on my own. Besides...if I shoot the deer I can't study it.
When I began taking an interest in sambar they were a scarce resource and knowledge of them was more imagination than fact. Back then if you found a rub tree or fresh droppings you'd had a very good day hunting. But I wanted more.
I had not yet seen a sambar and one morning I heard a deer running up hill towards me. It appeared, standing side on to me and motionless across the same game trail I was standing on and about 15 metres from me. I was stationery and totally in the open as was the deer with just a few strands of bracken beside his legs. It was a stag with 14 inch antlers....my first ever sambar that I had ever seen. WOW! We looked at each other for a minute or so...him swiveling his head trying to find what he had heard. Neither of us were in a hurry to do "something" and I soaked up the moment. Then I slowly lifted my BLR .308, aimed and fired. At the shot it jumped in the air and ran along our shared game trail away from me only to collapse dead in about 30 metres. I was excited and amazed that this sambar had not follow the sambar rules as promoted by the so called hunting experts of the day.
It was this stags behavior which caused me to become a stalker/researcher with several goals. One to get a trophy stag/s, to be in close contact with them and to learn all I could about them. Learning became obsessional. I've been very lucky in that among countless close encounters there are two exceptional moments....the 1/2 metre stag and the hind that tried to clobber me.
No salt water crocs down here thank goodness tarponhead.
I retired early and and had lots of time to further my obsession with the sambar. I wanted to understand their behavior...aka what, when, were they did in their daily lives...aka their movement patterns in relation to different times of the year, what they do/go in bad weather, family group behavior, the role of a dominant stag, the relationship between the mature stags, stag relationship with the family groups, how they colonize new territory, what camo works and what doesn't etc. This resulted in my gaining very good bush and stalking skills. Many hard lessons were learnt usually signified by the sound of deer running off. So I spent countless years going in to sambar country generally 4 days out of 7 with a lot of consecutive days.
You mentioned success. For me this meant learning to get close to them and observe. Yes...I did shoot some but in more recent times I've only shot about one per year. It takes me a long time to eat a sambar on my own. Besides...if I shoot the deer I can't study it.
When I began taking an interest in sambar they were a scarce resource and knowledge of them was more imagination than fact. Back then if you found a rub tree or fresh droppings you'd had a very good day hunting. But I wanted more.
I had not yet seen a sambar and one morning I heard a deer running up hill towards me. It appeared, standing side on to me and motionless across the same game trail I was standing on and about 15 metres from me. I was stationery and totally in the open as was the deer with just a few strands of bracken beside his legs. It was a stag with 14 inch antlers....my first ever sambar that I had ever seen. WOW! We looked at each other for a minute or so...him swiveling his head trying to find what he had heard. Neither of us were in a hurry to do "something" and I soaked up the moment. Then I slowly lifted my BLR .308, aimed and fired. At the shot it jumped in the air and ran along our shared game trail away from me only to collapse dead in about 30 metres. I was excited and amazed that this sambar had not follow the sambar rules as promoted by the so called hunting experts of the day.
It was this stags behavior which caused me to become a stalker/researcher with several goals. One to get a trophy stag/s, to be in close contact with them and to learn all I could about them. Learning became obsessional. I've been very lucky in that among countless close encounters there are two exceptional moments....the 1/2 metre stag and the hind that tried to clobber me.
geordiemacatac
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I'm guessing it dropped on the spot ....what round did you use?
John Gryphon
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I suppose you havent heard of "the brumby shot"then?
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