Snow camo?

[suburban bushwacker]

After my recent trip to the boreal forest, where members advice was excellent, my thoughts have turned to doing it again.
I've got more warm sitting and watching clothes than I can fit in one holdall, what I need next is active snow wear.
Harkila basically want a grand for the whole suit and it doest look very well designed to me. I want a smock length top and what our American friends call bib-pants. Uninsulated is best for skiing, and 100% waterproof and wind proof are a must.
What works?

 

[lochty]

Paint sprayers coverall. Use one per outing. Not waterproof though, but cheap.

 

[suburban bushwacker]

Paint sprayers coverall. Use one per outing. Not waterproof though, but cheap.

For scotland yeah, probably dissolve if I ski in one

 

[weblyish]

I assume it you mean xc skiing for a few hours rather than a couple of runs downhill
will you be pulling as well ? Massively affects your overheating as you may not get a much wind cooling at the slower pace and will overheat easier

I have done several Lapland trips
Most common outfit when pulling is normal non absorbent tracksuit trousers (so no cotton but like football warmup tracksuit kit) with gaiters
Then a change into fresh dry clothes on arrival

If you do think you need waterproof

You absolutely need to stay away from fishing trousers. They are cheap and tend to be bib style but They are nowhere near breathable enough and you will have puddles round your ankles if you ski

Salopettes are also useless but you seem to have seen that

Mountain equipment karakorum dungaree trousers have done me very well on long wet slush days. Black diamond also do some good highly breathable kit
But if the weather is fine and the wind is low you will get more use out of a few dry tracksuits than 300 quid worth of waterproof

 

[suburban bushwacker]

I assume it you mean xc skiing for a few hours rather than a couple of runs downhill
will you be pulling as well ? Massively affects your overheating as you may not get a much wind cooling at the slower pace and will overheat easier

I have done several Lapland trips
Most common outfit when pulling is normal non absorbent tracksuit trousers (so no cotton but like football warmup tracksuit kit) with gaiters
Then a change into fresh dry clothes on arrival

If you do think you need waterproof

You absolutely need to stay away from fishing trousers. They are cheap and tend to be bib style but They are nowhere near breathable enough and you will have puddles round your ankles if you ski

Salopettes are also useless but you seem to have seen that

Mountain equipment karakorum dungaree trousers have done me very well on long wet slush days. Black diamond also do some good highly breathable kit
But if the weather is fine and the wind is low you will get more use out of a few dry tracksuits than 300 quid worth of waterproof

No pulling, thankfully. We were hunting Capercaillie, which seem to have incredible eyesight. My host wore really thin snow camo over thermals and a woollen jumper, I wore a fleece I wear on the hill and boiled. ive seen unlined snowboarding clothes that look like they'd be wind resisting when you want it and open enough to let the heat out.

 

[Sika98k]

I have an old Swedish army snow smock. Large size to fit over uniform I suppose. Made of a heavy cotton. Any use to you ?

 

[shoppe]

In the past I ( and others) have used the white coats you get in the likes of food factory's.
Just get them big enough( loose fit) to fit over your normal stalking clothes.
These white overall coats are normally quite long too so reach down below the knee.
If you get too warm, loosen your normal stalking jacket underneath and keep the white overcoat tied.
Clean in washing machine too.
Job done, keep it simple.
Shoppe

 

[jthyttin]

Snow camo might not be the best, depending on surroundings and conditions. With camo I mean white added with some other color usually black or grey.

If there's a lot of snow, including trees (especially spruce that has branches to the ground level and holds certain type of snow) totally white gear might be better. If going for camo, try to select something very subtle (lot of white). You might also take totally white pants / bibs and camo jacket / smock / anorak.

As a side note, in conditions with less snow you might actually wear snow gear top or bottoms, and regular camo for the other. Like snow pants and regular camo jacket, if there's still snow on the ground but not on the trees. If you have pics from previous trip it's good to look at them. Also take note that capercaillie in the treetop is elevated position so ground color / amount of snow is more pronounced (vs. human observer).

I wouldn't get 100% wind and waterproof gear, unless MAYBE if there's very good mechanical ventilation (openings with zippers etc). There's usually no wind to talk about if the conditions allow you to hunt capercaillie from treetops. And when you have minus 5 degrees or below, you really don't need waterproof. I'd concentrate on gear that DOES NOT keep the water vapor you create, inside the clothing.

Here's a variety of links to get you started on prices and styles. I selected English language, but if you see Finnish just use the top panel to change to English. At least Varusteleka ships abroad also.

Särmä TST L7 Camouflage Anorak - Varusteleka.com

Snow camouflage anorak that protects you from weather, terrain, and prying eyes. Easy to put on top of your clothes and gear. International delivery.

www.varusteleka.com

M05 Snow camo - ORIGOPRO M05 Snow Camo

origopro.com

Search Results

www.karkkainen.com

 

[finnbear270]

The Finnish army snow cammo for ski troops.

 

[Wsm]

Quality gear

/ Tundra

Arktis Store

store.arktis.co.uk

/ Comb Blizzard

Arktis Store

store.arktis.co.uk

 

[Sika98k]

@suburban bushwacker , are these of any interest to you ? I am unlikely to have use for them again. XL size,

 

[suburban bushwacker]

@suburban bushwacker , are these of any interest to you ? I am unlikely to have use for them again. XL size,

I may be too tubbs