South East England Stalking – 25+ Years of Lessons on Muntjac Control, Roe, Permissions & Finding Ground in Kent/Surrey/Sussex

jgc

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Hi all,I’ve been stalking in the South East for over 25 years now, mainly on the Kent/Surrey border and into West Sussex and parts of Hampshire. Started as a recreational stalker on a couple of permissions and gradually picked up more ground helping with proper deer management on estates and woodland blocks.The SE is a very different beast to Scotland or the North. Muntjac numbers have exploded in many areas (they breed year-round and the does can be in season almost constantly). They’re doing real damage to woodland regeneration in places, yet a lot of landowners still have the “Bambi” view or are nervous about rifles because of how built-up it is. Roe are holding their own in the better wooded blocks but are under pressure in some spots too. Fallow turn up in pockets, and the odd sika or even red wander through.A few things I’ve learned the hard way over the years:
  • Permissions – The fragmented ownership is the biggest challenge. Building trust with landowners takes time. I’ve found being straight about safety distances, using high seats where possible, and offering to help with other vermin or general woodland work goes a long way. DSC1 & 2 plus BASC/NGO membership helps massively with credibility.
  • Muntjac control – They’re not hard to stalk once you know their habits, but you need consistent effort. I’ve had good results with .243 and 6.5 Creedmoor – flat shooting and enough stopping power without excessive meat damage on the smaller deer. Thermal helps a lot in the dense cover we have down here, but make sure your FAC conditions cover it.
  • High seats vs still hunting – In a lot of SE woodland, still hunting works well if you’re patient and quiet. High seats are gold for muntjac at first and last light though, especially on the edges of arable or where public footpaths run close.
  • Public perception & safety – Always a factor near towns and villages. I always carry my insurance docs and am very clear on shot placement and backstops.
I’d be interested to hear what others are seeing in their patches – especially anyone managing muntjac on a serious scale or who has tips for getting new ground in the more built-up counties. Any syndicate experiences in the SE worth sharing? What calibres and setups are working well for you down here?Looking forward to some good discussion.
 
Hi all,I’ve been stalking in the South East for over 25 years now, mainly on the Kent/Surrey border and into West Sussex and parts of Hampshire. Started as a recreational stalker on a couple of permissions and gradually picked up more ground helping with proper deer management on estates and woodland blocks.The SE is a very different beast to Scotland or the North. Muntjac numbers have exploded in many areas (they breed year-round and the does can be in season almost constantly). They’re doing real damage to woodland regeneration in places, yet a lot of landowners still have the “Bambi” view or are nervous about rifles because of how built-up it is. Roe are holding their own in the better wooded blocks but are under pressure in some spots too. Fallow turn up in pockets, and the odd sika or even red wander through.A few things I’ve learned the hard way over the years:
  • Permissions – The fragmented ownership is the biggest challenge. Building trust with landowners takes time. I’ve found being straight about safety distances, using high seats where possible, and offering to help with other vermin or general woodland work goes a long way. DSC1 & 2 plus BASC/NGO membership helps massively with credibility.
  • Muntjac control – They’re not hard to stalk once you know their habits, but you need consistent effort. I’ve had good results with .243 and 6.5 Creedmoor – flat shooting and enough stopping power without excessive meat damage on the smaller deer. Thermal helps a lot in the dense cover we have down here, but make sure your FAC conditions cover it.
  • High seats vs still hunting – In a lot of SE woodland, still hunting works well if you’re patient and quiet. High seats are gold for muntjac at first and last light though, especially on the edges of arable or where public footpaths run close.
  • Public perception & safety – Always a factor near towns and villages. I always carry my insurance docs and am very clear on shot placement and backstops.
I’d be interested to hear what others are seeing in their patches – especially anyone managing muntjac on a serious scale or who has tips for getting new ground in the more built-up counties. Any syndicate experiences in the SE worth sharing? What calibres and setups are working well for you down here?Looking forward to some good discussion.
Wait until it is dark. :tiphat:

 
Really hard to get permissions, and permissions can be fragmented and small (essentially picking up disjointed paddocks and 3-5 acres).

No cohesion between landowners so you'll be hitting them hard and the deer will suddenly start standing around nextdoor, and they don't want them touched.

I've 2 permissions (50acre mixed open field and woodland and a small 8 acre field). The 8 acre, I've seen footage of the occasional fallow on camera, but never seen a deer in any of my visits last season.

The woodland, it's basically a guarantee that I'll see a deer but if I hit them too hard they'll disappear.

We have a local deer management group, with a chap who's actually employed to try and match landowners with stalkers and fill the gaps that aren't stalked, by engaging landowners. It's working, according to the thermal deer survey
 
Really hard to get permissions, and permissions can be fragmented and small (essentially picking up disjointed paddocks and 3-5 acres).

No cohesion between landowners so you'll be hitting them hard and the deer will suddenly start standing around nextdoor, and they don't want them touched.

I've 2 permissions (50acre mixed open field and woodland and a small 8 acre field). The 8 acre, I've seen footage of the occasional fallow on camera, but never seen a deer in any of my visits last season.

The woodland, it's basically a guarantee that I'll see a deer but if I hit them too hard they'll disappear.

We have a local deer management group, with a chap who's actually employed to try and match landowners with stalkers and fill the gaps that aren't stalked, by engaging landowners. It's working, according to the thermal deer survey
From what I have read on here especially in the last 5 years many people are not keen/can't be bothered etc to start at the bottom from rabbits/pigeon shooting with wanting only to shoot deer then complain they cant find any stalking or experience :doh:

I went beating also shot foxes on a small pheasant shoot which lead to a invite on "Farmers Day" at dinner I was next to a chap who runs a family shoot then asked if I could come and "have a go at the foxes" killed a lot of foxes that year which rolled into the deer as they started turning up.
Very well known family who I have used as reference's over time for work/shooting.
 
Really hard to get permissions, and permissions can be fragmented and small (essentially picking up disjointed paddocks and 3-5 acres).

No cohesion between landowners so you'll be hitting them hard and the deer will suddenly start standing around nextdoor, and they don't want them touched.

I've 2 permissions (50acre mixed open field and woodland and a small 8 acre field). The 8 acre, I've seen footage of the occasional fallow on camera, but never seen a deer in any of my visits last season.

The woodland, it's basically a guarantee that I'll see a deer but if I hit them too hard they'll disappear.

We have a local deer management group, with a chap who's actually employed to try and match landowners with stalkers and fill the gaps that aren't stalked, by engaging landowners. It's working, according to the thermal deer survey
to be honest ive never found ground hard to get at all folks are generally happy to have a deer / vermin problem sorted provided youre known to them or someone they know and have a proven track record
 
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