Swazi Vs Nomad

[Turfer]

FC in Scotland get an allowance, you pick your own clothing.

I've had a few very negative experiences with Nomad[business not with clothing] therefore will not go near them.

It's a very personal thing and it depends on where you are. For wet weather I'd go for Swazi or any climbing Gear such as Berghaus or Northface if you can find it in green.
Deerhunter kit is very good value fo £

So I guess most guys pick what fits the allowance rather than spend their own hard earned ££££'s.

I've had excellent service from Nomad over the years. Always been helpfull and been a pleasure to do business with. I usually catch up with them at one of the game or fishing fairs most years.

I've been thinking about purchasing one of their anti tick suits for a couple of years now. Hopefully this years hard weather will help reduce the tick population around the country which will help lessen the risk of Lymes disease.

 

[bambislayer]

Don't waste your £'s on his anti tick clothing, it doesn't work , his so called trial with FC was a waste of time [unless you hear his side of things!], straying away from the thread here but hard winters will not affect tick numbers other than possibly shortening the period of questing.

The FC allowance is pretty good, if you're out everyday , you buy what works, and sod the £'s.
Anyone can be wet and cold, I

t's unfortunate to hear someone else has had negative dealings with Philip, I don't want to get done for deformation of charcter or such like but I would warn anyone away from dealing with Nomad, there are plenty of other manufacturers , so in my case 3 or 4 times bitten and then very shy

 

[Turfer]

hard winters will not affect tick numbers other than possibly shortening the period of questing.

That is contrary to the information contain in a science article I have recently been reading.

Quote:-

2. Effects of Climate Change on Tick Distribution and Abundance

The climate is regarded as the principal restricting factor at the northern limit of I. ricinus distribution. Although I. ricinus is surprisingly cold-hardy and when winter-acclimatized can survive 24-hour exposure to temperaturesranging from −14.4°C to −18.9°C, the detrimental effects of cold are accumulative and exposure for 30 days to only −10°C has been shown to be lethal for a high proportion of unfed nymphs and diapausing engorged larvae and nymphs . Molting I.ricinus ticks are even more vulnerable so that if summer temperatures are not high enough to complete development before the onset of winter (little or no development takes place between 7 and 10°C ), they are unlikely to survive even moderate frosts.Degree-day models have been developed which proved useful in elucidating the I.ricinus life cycle , but more research on the winter biologyof this species would help further understand its northern distribution limit. -:Unquote

 

[DL]

Nomad

Ochh! I have a Nomad Ranger coat on its way. I was quite happy until I read about the poor customer support above.
I don't see myself using it more than a couple of times a week, so hopefully it wont fall apart before its time.

 

[buck52]

Re: Nomad

Ochh! I have a Nomad Ranger coat on its way. I was quite happy until I read about the poor customer support above.
I don't see myself using it more than a couple of times a week, so hopefully it wont fall apart before its time.

DL, I can vouch for the after sales service, its a good as anyones, dont be put off, you will not regret the purchase, there, I've put my head on the block

 

[buck52]

Re: Nomad

Ochh! I have a Nomad Ranger coat on its way. I was quite happy until I read about the poor customer support above.
I don't see myself using it more than a couple of times a week, so hopefully it wont fall apart before its time.

DL, I can vouch for the after sales service, its fine, dont be put off, you will not regret the purchase, after 7 years of hard use my coat & trousers have not fallen apart and I'm not careful with my stalking clothes.
There, now I've put my head on the block

 

[DL]

Re: Nomad

Ochh! I have a Nomad Ranger coat on its way. I was quite happy until I read about the poor customer support above.
I don't see myself using it more than a couple of times a week, so hopefully it wont fall apart before its time.

DL, I can vouch for the after sales service, its fine, dont be put off, you will not regret the purchase, after 7 years of hard use my coat & trousers have not fallen apart and I'm not careful with my stalking clothes.
There, now I've put my head on the block

After last year, I am expecting a wet spring, & you know what they say - "any fool can be uncomfortable"

I didn't want to put my misses' relatives in NZ to the trouble of ordering me a Swazi Wapiti. The Nomad coat was just a lot more readily available.

 

[Turfer]

Re: Nomad

Ochh! I have a Nomad Ranger coat on its way. I was quite happy until I read about the poor customer support above.
I don't see myself using it more than a couple of times a week, so hopefully it wont fall apart before its time.

DL, I can vouch for the after sales service, its fine, dont be put off, you will not regret the purchase, after 7 years of hard use my coat & trousers have not fallen apart and I'm not careful with my stalking clothes.
There, now I've put my head on the block

I would have to say exactly the same.

Where as I've had some awful experiences with some of the other clothing manufacturers/suppliers.

Kammo, Musto, Seeland, Deerhunter to name but a few.

 

[bambislayer]

Hi Turfer

I'm not sure what your background is. I've been heavily involved in tick research for the last 10yrs and like the rifle/calibre debate there are many contradicting theories.

If I pm you my email could you send me the paper you have?

Research from Eastern Europe has shown very little winter mortality in ticks as long as they have the right habitat to lay in.
The major factor for the tick increase in the UK has been attributed to increase in suitable hosts[& the end of mandatory dipping] and milder winters which actually increases the questing time as well as the increase in habitat[Woodlands]
We have found questing ticks at 1000ft in -5.
Cambridge Uni have ticks kept at -25 for 40yrs, put them in heat and they "come alive", it's a little experiment you can do your freezer!!

Having contracted Lymme disease abbout 15yrs ago , I kind of jump on the soapbox a bit when it comes to ticks, Sorry for hijacking the post but please don't be fooled by anti tick clothing , the best advice is to;

wear light combat trousers
tuck socks in boots [gaiters are good]
STAY AWAY FROM TWEEDS
you can treat clothing with pemitherin [not great though]

Best advice is to

Check yourself after every trip out and remove tick asap.

 

[morena]

Hi Turfer,
Like bambislayer I to would be interested in the research paper on ticks as they behave differently on the West and East coasts of Scotland.
morena

 

[Turfer]

Hi Fella's

I'm happy to send you the info.

As a complete amateur, but a person who reacts quite a lot to any tick who takes a fancy to what I have on offer, I like to say as informed as possible.

As Bambi has already said the theories are rather contradictory for a non zoologist/entomologist to make head or tails of at times.

 

[hunterscabin]

i would have to say that the new nomad range of clothing is very good
i have never had any problems with the membranes passing any moisture .
the only thing i could say is that they are sometimes to warm ,but can this really been seen to be a bad point

As for phillips aftercare he is very busy going around the country all year round for shows etc.

now for the bad part i do stock the nomad clothing and will be doing a special deal for the SD members .
This is comming as soon as i get my finger out and pay for advertising on here to keep the moderators happy

regards

steve hunter

 

[JAYB]

You will not be keeping the moderators happy you will be keeping everybody happy because if we do not charge for advertising we would not be able to pay the bills for having the site. Therefore no charge no site and then where would you spend your time

John

 

[Turfer]

You will not be keeping the moderators happy you will be keeping everybody happy because if we do not charge for advertising we would not be able to pay the bills for having the site. Therefore no charge no site and then where would you spend your time

John

John

Hope you don't think the question impertinent. But exactly what are the costs of running this site?
There are literally dozens of shooting/countryside forums out there on the tinternet. Very few carry direct advertising in order to cover their operating costs.
A few have "site supporters" who have bunged a few quid into a centrally run kitty. Some have a few specific commercial sponsors who advertising banner trundles across periodically as a screen header but nothing more.
Then rest seem to manage without any direct financial support/ advertising charges.
Do those site simple swallow the costs or defray them by other means?

Does the application of advertising charges automatically turn the administration of a web forum into a commercial operation, there by necessitating the involvement of HMRC, VAT, company reguistration etc etc.

Similar to the recent revelation that the NOB's organisation is actually a Private Limited Company and its members all of whom have paid what they believed to subscriptions are in fact merely customers of the company and its team of directors and managers.

 

[JAYB]

Turfer,

Well, despite your hope I do think it is an impertinent question. Also your efforts at likening us to people who are misleading their members with subscription charges etc, doe not go down very well.

I resent your implication that we are making money from the site, on the contrary it so far has cost us money, we like to dream that some day it will wipe it's face but until then we are very comfortably running a deficit.


This year there will be a small forestry lease that will be at the disposal of SD members for the princely sum of £50 per day, if we were doing as well as you seem to imply then maybe the site would have been able to pay for the lease instead of me. Also lets not forget those that will be in Scotland in October on Malcolm's lease, again all at cost. No I think that what we offer on here to our members is good value in that it cost them nothing, and if they wish to take advantage of some of the services we offer then I think they are extremely cheap. We spend a lot of time effort and our own money trying to make this a decent site. If some of our members are businessmen and they wish to sell their good or services via the site and at the same time hopefully make money, then is it wrong to be charged for this service? The advertising on the shop page is £10 per month, expensive? I think not.

I would like to congratulate your Turfer, you have managed to **** me off, and that does not happen very often.

John

 

[Turfer]

John

My intention was not to **** you off nor to liken you to those people who are misleading their members with "subscription" charges. I merely asked a simple question, and made some comparisons by way of explanation and example.

I admit it could be taken as impertinent but I asked out of interest only. No maliciousness or aggravation intended. I was just enquiring as to how the others manage to achieve what you seek and seeing as you steer the boat hoped that you might have some insight into the how.

Again as a matter of interest how can you determine whether the DCS2 course is at cost, surely determination of true cost is dependent upon how many clients book through out the season and the number of beasts culled and the revenue achieve from the trophy fees and the carcass sale etc?

I applaud your efforts and commitments (financial and time) to the site. As well as your generosity in sourcing and making available the small stalking lease you mentioned.

Turfer

 

[JAYB]

Well now Stu, you have behaved for a bit but now you are getting back into the swing of it. You know about how a site works, or are you not still a global moderator on the deertalking site. Here is an example who else but you would go to the trouble of counting up how many people are members, how many post regular, how many have posted once and how many have never posted and then go to the bother of posting this, why? are you just sad or trying to cause trouble.

As for the DSC 2 witnessing opportunity, nobody but you has called it a course, the fact it can be done at cost is because the costs are finite. If you had taken the trouble to read the posts then you would realise that the opportunity will not run all season long, it is a one off, with a set amount of people. Not that it is anything to do with you as you are not attending, but the people that are coming are very happy with the costs. Oh I nearly forgot you have no faith in the DSC 2 do you

Your last stay on this site as SWR ended up with you sending a pm to admin and in an indignant manner demanding to be taken off the memberlist. If you keep on being devious and cunning, I shall have to wonder if that demand applies to all of your member names.

Now, I do not intend to get into any sort of debate with you over this, just be aware you are being watched and any more of your shenanigan's and you are history. This is a site for deerstalkers and stalking lets just keep it at that.

John

 

[Turfer]

John

Back up a bit mate. You seem to have fallen into the same trap as Robert and a few others by confusing me with someone called Stu. From your reference to the DeerTalking site I can only assume that you believe me to be Mannlicher Stu.
I can assure you that I'm most certainly not.

The reason behind the breakdown of the site membership activity numbers was purely as a means of offering a more concise and factual explanation to the post to which the reply was posted. Why would you feel that such examination of the figures an attempt to cause trouble or an act of sadness? Unless of course you have an sub agenda running here.

As for the terminology used to describe the DCS2 event. Its just that terminology nothing else. What you may call snap, some call bait, some even go to the extent of calling it lunch. I'm aware that the course is a one week and one week only event. Costs however are determined on an annual basis comprising the operating costs less the returns achieved through out the year. I'm sure as with your stalking lease offer its good value for those attending. Personally I have little regard for the whole DCS money spinning fiasco and feel increasing dismayed that so many experienced and novice stalkers are having problems trying to meet the criteria demanded for what is to all intense and purposes a useless piece of paper as it actually provides little or no guarantee of competence.

I find it strange and a little concerning that you find open discussion an act worthy of being termed "shenanigan's". But each to his own.

True the site is principally about Stalking and deer stalkers. I believe I have remained faithfully with in those areas when ever and where ever possible. Some subjects are interesting in their broad approach others are interesting enough to warrant a look at the minutiae and peripherals.
Thats the great thing about free and open debate you never know where it may lead those who participate in it to its fullest extent.

Thanks for the opportunity to participate in this one.

Turfer

 

[JAYB]

I'Ve told you I am not getting into a debate with you over this and I am not. I am not interested in any of your glib answers and reasoning, your posts never seem to relate to deerstalking they merely allude, you do manage to have a lot of uneccesary digs at people, and bring up topics that only yopu seem to think noteworthy.

If you cannot make all of your post's stalking related or at least civil you will leave me no alternative. This is your last warning.

John

 

[Turfer]

John

No need for all of this confrontational hyperbolia on your part. What you choose to ascribe as glib answers I prefer to lean more towards frank and insightfull. If you care to look the majority of my posts have been on subjects relating to stalking or deer stalkers. The only "digs" have been towards one of the biggest wind up merchants and stalking site disruptor's known. I appreciate at this precise moment in time he might be a friend of the administration, but his record of disruption, and egotistical behaviour is well documented. You only have to look back through the 6.5X55/PFS thread to see evidence of this. Will out a word of criticism from you or warnings I might add.

Civility has always been one of my abiding intentions, and remains so. Its a pity that its not the case with certain current members. I don't think there is any need to mention names here.

The fact that you have chosen to conduct this discussion in public speaks volumes about intent, agendas and management style. I'm sure Mannlicher Stu would appreciate an apology for his unnecessary inclusion and the erroneous allusions to his good character. You'll find him over on Deer Talking.

Turfer