tail docking, anyone.

Has to be dun no later then 5 days after they born
Av just moved vets had a different of opinion with them
Found a new vets old school
Last vets £60 that was docking chip & dew claws
 
The legislation states the pups should be no older than 5 days of age; if born on the 1st May, day 1 is the 2nd May. Most vets that dock state 3-5 days, because it allows the pups to “gain” a little “strength”, and frankly weeds out those pups that are not immediately going to make it.
 
Just a question anyone on this. I understand vets require some evidence that the pups are destined for working homes before they dock and dew claw and that a firearms/shotgun certificate can be used but what about a breeder that doesn't have the firearms licenses. What would be used to demonstrate the dogs are destined for working dogs.
 
we had our spaniel pups docked a few years ago,
they said without a shotgun cert how would you prove they were going to a working home?
7 out of the 8 did,
 
The required evidence is given below

1, [INSERT NAME], confirm that I have seen the following evidence required by the Docking of Working Dogs' Tails (England) Regulations 2007 to show that the dog whose tail is to be docked ("the dog") by me on [INSERT DATE] is likely to be used for work in connection with an activity specified in paragraph 5 below and is of one or more of the types specified in paragraph 6
below:
the dam of the dog; the statement made in paragraph 3 of this certificate, signed and dated by the owner of the dog or by a person whom I believe to be representing the owner; and
one of the following— armed forces identification; emergency rescue identification;
police identification;
prison service identification;
HMRC identification; evidence that the owner of the dog, or an agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog, will be using the dog for work in connection with lawful pest control;
a current shotgun or firearm certificate issued to the owner of the dog, or to the agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog for work in connection with the lawful shooting of animals;
a letter from a gamekeeper, a land-occupier (or his agent), a person with shooting rights, a shoot organiser, a club official, a person representing the National Working Terrier Federation, or a person engaged in lawful pest control, stating that the breeder of the dog whose tail is to be docked is known to him and that dogs bred by that breeder have been used on his land, or in his shoot, or for pest control.

The subject of dew claw removal is a whole subject on its own. In very general terms the first digit of the hindlimb ( dew claw) is anatomically considered to be a vestigial structure ie of little use, with little if any articulation or muscle attachment, and often is vulnerable to damage, hence most veterinary surgeons who dock, will if asked remove the hind dew claws.
However, the front dew claws are not considered to be vestigial, due to bone articulation and muscle attachments, hence you often see dogs, particularly spaniels, using them as a “thumb”. So most vets will leave them in place, unless they are particularly loosely connected, and therefore could be prone to injury.
 
hi,
I have managed finally to find a vet willing to dock and rear dew claw the pup's.
the farm vet from one of my mates will do it,just have to take my SGC or fac as proof that they're working dogs.
he likes to do them at 3 days old, good job their not due for another 2 weeks.
panic over👍
phil.
 
If the appropriate technique and chemical cautery agent is used, then there is little / no difference between day 3 and 5. The main reason why day 4 is the most favoured is that it allows for sudden unforeseen circumstances occurring such as inappropriate / incorrect evidence of working, illness of vet / client etc, then time to sort things out before day 5 expires.
 
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