The Future of Deer Stalking

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Back in 2012 I started to contemplate the future of deer stalking. Up until then, my only real developments in the previous 30 years was to improve my glass, clothing, and move to twin sticks where I’ve used the same set for maybe the last 25 years.

So little change until this time, I learned how to find and stalk deer effectively, and considered myself pretty good at it. Then around 2012, and the general use of thermal spotters, had me start to consider the future, one in which a huge amount of skill was being removed from the art of stalking. It didn’t take me long to come to the idea that the future of deer stalking was muntjac, as they generally stayed in cover, making them a more difficult option for those actually stalking, and certainly the drive by poacher.

More recently it’s been day/night scopes that threaten the future of deer stalking. Having used the best Swarovski glass for many years, depending on conditions, it meant shooting up from 30 mins to a maximum 1 hour after sunset, the same before sunrise. These scoped now enable so called stalkers to shoot right up to the 1 hour mark, with many continuing to do so after the 1 hour was up. I’m always suspicious of this activity when photos are posted in complete darkness so often. There’s no skill in shooting after dark, any muppets can do it. Similarly, stalking with a thermal in areas where deer are “not so wild”, again, any muppets can do it. God forbid they should have to stalk with just normal glass 🙄

So just a few reasons I still think the future is in the little muntjac. This is the first winter in maybe the last 10 I’ve seen less sika moving into my areas following disturbances elsewhere and maybe the first sign that pressure from technology and unscrupulous behaviour is starting to have an effect. The more common discussion revolving around deer behaviour and the effects of night shooting suggest it’s being done all too often. As I said, there’s no skill involved, maybe if one used just a spear there would 🤔

So, what are the positives…,, I’m looking after my muntjac until they get to a sustainable shooting number, but I have them. Maybe the larger deer that roam will herd more, and run before standing to to slain? Gamedealer prices being on the low side is a positive? Less muppets shooting deer illegally and unnecessarily because it doesn’t make them enough? And maybe even the potential high costs of certificates, meaning less people looking to shoot what will become lower densities of deer, except for maybe muntjac?

Anyway, my new year thoughts that may resonate with some, especially the guys that have been stalking for longer, those that remember the good old days, when each deer was a sense of achievement rather than just another dead carcass 🤔

Happy 2025
 
There are people who can't afford the best Swarovski scopes and have probably been cursing you for years because you're using technology to shoot deer after they can't see them.

Life is a sliding scale of perception and perspective.

Maybe if more deer had been shot over the last 30 years by more people rather than hoarders with too much land protecting what they feel is theirs then there may be less pressure to shoot as many deer today🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Said to a mate today i think we would only see 20% of the deer now shot around here if it wasn’t for thermal spotters and cheap day/night scopes at the gamedealers
 
It is my firm opinion that the use of thermal and night vision has changed the game significantly. The low prices paid for carcasses by game dealers is all the proof you need. Unfortunately there is no turning back. We must all pull together and use this technology ethically. To quote a well known American U-Tuber, Ron Spomer, "Hunt honest, shoot straight".
 
Back in 2012 I started to contemplate the future of deer stalking. Up until then, my only real developments in the previous 30 years was to improve my glass, clothing, and move to twin sticks where I’ve used the same set for maybe the last 25 years.

So little change until this time, I learned how to find and stalk deer effectively, and considered myself pretty good at it. Then around 2012, and the general use of thermal spotters, had me start to consider the future, one in which a huge amount of skill was being removed from the art of stalking. It didn’t take me long to come to the idea that the future of deer stalking was muntjac, as they generally stayed in cover, making them a more difficult option for those actually stalking, and certainly the drive by poacher.

More recently it’s been day/night scopes that threaten the future of deer stalking. Having used the best Swarovski glass for many years, depending on conditions, it meant shooting up from 30 mins to a maximum 1 hour after sunset, the same before sunrise. These scoped now enable so called stalkers to shoot right up to the 1 hour mark, with many continuing to do so after the 1 hour was up. I’m always suspicious of this activity when photos are posted in complete darkness so often. There’s no skill in shooting after dark, any muppets can do it. Similarly, stalking with a thermal in areas where deer are “not so wild”, again, any muppets can do it. God forbid they should have to stalk with just normal glass 🙄

So just a few reasons I still think the future is in the little muntjac. This is the first winter in maybe the last 10 I’ve seen less sika moving into my areas following disturbances elsewhere and maybe the first sign that pressure from technology and unscrupulous behaviour is starting to have an effect. The more common discussion revolving around deer behaviour and the effects of night shooting suggest it’s being done all too often. As I said, there’s no skill involved, maybe if one used just a spear there would 🤔

So, what are the positives…,, I’m looking after my muntjac until they get to a sustainable shooting number, but I have them. Maybe the larger deer that roam will herd more, and run before standing to to slain? Gamedealer prices being on the low side is a positive? Less muppets shooting deer illegally and unnecessarily because it doesn’t make them enough? And maybe even the potential high costs of certificates, meaning less people looking to shoot what will become lower densities of deer, except for maybe muntjac?

Anyway, my new year thoughts that may resonate with some, especially the guys that have been stalking for longer, those that remember the good old days, when each deer was a sense of achievement rather than just another dead carcass 🤔

Happy 2025
Good approach to stalking.
Like you I have to manage certain species on my permissions as I have only a handful of roe and I take one every few years, but loads of cwd and quite a few munties.
I’m also a bit of a traditionalist in that I don’t own any thermal or NV kit, so I have to rely on good stalking skills rather than technology to get onto deer (although I did forget to take my binos out on Monday!! 🤦) but as I am noticing deer acting differently re feeding after dark, I may soon invest in a thermal spotter and a day/night scope.
Still, I do like the challenge of putting my wits against those of the deer and seeing if I can execute a kill humanely, ideally without the deer even knowing I am there.
 
Good approach to stalking.
Like you I have to manage certain species on my permissions as I have only a handful of roe and I take one every few years, but loads of cwd and quite a few munties.
I’m also a bit of a traditionalist in that I don’t own any thermal or NV kit, so I have to rely on good stalking skills rather than technology to get onto deer (although I did forget to take my binos out on Monday!! 🤦) but as I am noticing deer acting differently re feeding after dark, I may soon invest in a thermal spotter and a day/night scope.
Still, I do like the challenge of putting my wits against those of the deer and seeing if I can execute a kill humanely, ideally without the deer even knowing I am there.
Bino's don't work to well in the last bit of light what say you Colin @ColinBr

 
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Tim in the first clip after you fired the amount of deer on that perm makes a lot of us verry jealous.
Second clip pulling that cart no wonder you have hands of steel and the strength of a shire horse.
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Bino's don't work to well in the last bit of light what say you Colin @ColinBr


The thermal/NV has definitely helped you there mate, and with the amount of deer around and the need to shoot more deer, then so long as there is an ethical shot, then it should be used.

I can't say much in the regard to using anything other than your NV scope in the last light as to how much better it is at gaining you the last say 10-15 minutes of legal light, as I only use thermal to spot and normal glass on my scope to shoot. Up here it has only been legal as of last year to use light enhancing scopes without a night licence.
 
The thermal/NV has definitely helped you there mate, and with the amount of deer around and the need to shoot more deer, then so long as there is an ethical shot, then it should be used.

I can't say much in the regard to using anything other than your NV scope in the last light as to how much better it is at gaining you the last day 10-15 minutes of legal light, as I only use thermal to spot and normal glass on my scope to shoot. Up here it has only been legal as of last year to use light enhancing scopes without a night licence.
It will come that you need to do a course to shoot with NV under a nature Scot night licence.
 
If Starmer and his commissars manage to nationalise all land, all deer control will be carried out by paid rangers. That was my first thought when I saw the thread title.
 
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