Thermal or Night vision

chelsea7513

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I'm dedicating my 22-250 for night time fox shooting.
I have heard good and bad things about both night vision and thermal.
Personally I think I would prefer thermal due to not having to have a illuminator I believe ?
But i'm new to both and would like your opinions as well as most affordable as i'm not made of money so i'm presuming night vision is a lot cheaper ?
any help and opinions to why would be great !
 
Since this is your first venture into night shooting, I'd get a thermal spotter and an NV scope.
The thermal spotter will let you find foxes much better than anything else and will let you get used the sort of images a thermal produces so that you can learn to recognise the target.
If you go straight to a thermal scope you run the risk of mis-identifying a target with potentially serious consequences.
NV scopes will provide a more detailed image of your target than thermal, but they do need to be illuminated with IR to get that better image.
You're going to use a 22-250, so long range shots (over 250 yards) are a possibility so you'll need higher magnification than most thermal scopes can provide and still give any sort of shootable image.
Personally I'd go for a Pulsar Helion XQ38F thermal spotter and a PARD NV008 NV scope.
The 008 is also good enough to be used for daytime shooting as well.
That combo will cost less than a decent thermal scope

Cheers

Bruce
 
Brilliant Bruce,

just the sort of answer i was looking for with products included too !
thank you I will have a look at them items and the thermal spotter definitely sounds like the better way to go, plus even though i have the distance covered with the 22-250, I would like to think i could call them in closer than the 250 - 300 yard mark.

I especially like the idea of the day and night vision scope, as i tend to go hour or two before dark so this would be perfect !

thank you !
 
I'm dedicating my 22-250 for night time fox shooting.
I have heard good and bad things about both night vision and thermal.
Personally I think I would prefer thermal due to not having to have a illuminator I believe ?
But i'm new to both and would like your opinions as well as most affordable as i'm not made of money so i'm presuming night vision is a lot cheaper ?
any help and opinions to why would be great !


I have a drone 10 and xq38 spotter so the xq38 comes out stalking as well
 
Id mirror the above - if you’ve not done much thermal work I’d go for thermal spotter and NV scope. Spend as much time as you can familiarising with the thermal spotter out in the field, you’d be amazed at how many times two bunnies together look like a fox! After a while though you get used to the image and watch the behaviour which is always the giveaway. NV scope does allow you to confirm the target, at good range too as long as you get decent ir illumination (factor that in to cost - something like a wicked lights variable A51 is about £200 for the torch) . NV downsides are whiteout on close objects (branch or hedge between you and the target) and fog, mist, light rain will end your session. Great thing is there isnt the need for hurry as with the lamp, your can take your time and wait for the best moment.
Your shooting range will be for you to decide with your ground safety and confidence, most of the decent nv scopes will get you a good picture (as long as you use a good ir torch) and useable magnification out past 300, which is farther than I’m happy to shoot at night in most circumstances on my ground...and the 22-250 is a great calibre choice!
Personally I’m a fan of Pulsar, I used a XQ38 spotter and a digisight ultra N450 to good effect, batteries are swappable between the two which makes it easy. Ive now gone thermal throughout with a thermion XQ50 and use my Axion xm30 or the XQ38, cant fault it.
 
Brilliant Bruce,

just the sort of answer i was looking for with products included too !
thank you I will have a look at them items and the thermal spotter definitely sounds like the better way to go, plus even though i have the distance covered with the 22-250, I would like to think i could call them in closer than the 250 - 300 yard mark.

I especially like the idea of the day and night vision scope, as i tend to go hour or two before dark so this would be perfect !

thank you !

I got the drone first and used my nm800 on low power to get a fox eye shine back, used that method for quite a while with great success....note for cubs ( harvest coming up) you will knock a lots over.
Foxing needs discipline so sometimes better to bail out of chasing one and come in a different way a few nights later.

Don't discount the low power nm800 or equivalent as that will give you shooting and time to get what nv you want.
 
If you don't have a spotter then make that your first purchase. With regards to nv or thermal scope the majority will say NV. I shoot more foxes than I care to count, year after year and having used all sorts over the years Im now using the Sightmark Wraith. Maybe there will be the odd occasion I wont get a shot that I would have with my WT1 75-3 thermal scope but at a saving of £3k I can live within that. You will get different responses from others but my advice is try to find local lads and look through the kit you have on your shortlist. Nothing beats seeing your quarry in the field rather than in a stuffy exhibition hall or watching an experts videos of someones neighbours chimney stack and roof tiles
 
brilliant choices thanks guys, having a child and girlfriend makes the £ tighter too so any ideas on cheaper but half decent products is welcome also! But I don't mind spending the money for the quality so to speak!
 

I've found this guys, it's another pard, as Bruce mentioned.
More my price range, would this be ok to fit on my day scope for day shooting and then just attach for nv? Would I need to re zero each attachment? I check zero regularly anyway, but would I need to each use?
And would this be adequate enough for a spotting tool also as suggested on the website?

Regards
 

I've found this guys, it's another pard, as Bruce mentioned.
More my price range, would this be ok to fit on my day scope for day shooting and then just attach for nv? Would I need to re zero each attachment? I check zero regularly anyway, but would I need to each use?
And would this be adequate enough for a spotting tool also as suggested on the website?

Regards

I wondered how long it would take you to find the PARD NV007!
The PARD come with an adaptor that clamps onto the eyebell of a normal scope and stays there.
The PARD then quick attaches/detaches from the adaptor
As with everything, there are pros and cons.
Pros:
It's probably the most cost effective NV device available at the moment (and has proved extremely popular)
It has an onboard IR that provides enough illumination to shoot out to around 150 yards in good weather conditions. If you need to shoot further than that, you'll need an external laser based IR torch (LED torches won't do that job)
It can also be used as a hand held spotter and then attached to the rifle to take the shot (but it's not a great spotter)
It uses a full HD sensor so the image quality is excellent.
It has an onboard full HD video recorder which uses an removable micro SD card
It has wifi which can stream video to any nearby phones/tablets/computers.
It runs from a single, removable 18650 battery, so carrying one or two spare batteries will keep it running for long shooting sessions.

Cons:
If you don't have the right type of scope, it's performance is poor.
You need a scope with the following features:
Adjustable focus - either adjustable objective or side parallax (side parallax is easier) and the scope should focus down to 10 yards or less
Low base magnification less than x4 and not too high a maximum magnification - not more than x20
Have lens coatings that will pass IR well - this immediately eliminates most of the top end scopes like Swarovski, Zeiss or S&B
A large objective - 50mm or more helps to admit more IR, but a smaller objective (42 or 44mm) will work but more IR may be needed

With the 007 attached to the rear of the scope, your head position will not be the same as when the 007 is not attached. Many people simply can't get comfortable with the head position, even with a stock extender fitted

Scopes known to work well with the PARD are:
Sightron S Tac 3-16x42 and 4-20x50
Delta Titanium HD 2.5-15x56 (probably the best available at the moment)
Most Hawke scopes work well, with the sidewinders being very popular
Some first focal plane scopes don't give a focussed image throughout their magnification range, so steer clear.

The 007 comes in 2 flavours - 12mm and 16mm
The 12mm is better for close range work because it gives a wider field of view, showing all of the reticle
The 16mm effectively increases the overall magnification by a factor of about x1.3. This reduces what you see of the reticle, but you get some "free" magnification for longer range shooting

If you already have a scope that will work with the 007, then it is the most cost effective solution for shooting, but I'd still recommend a thermal for spotting.

If you decide to get a PARD NV007, there are plenty sellers out there and quite a few regularly appear second hand. As has been said, the Night Vision Store can be difficult to deal with

Cheers

Bruce
 
Thanks Bruce!
Sounds like I may have to upgrade my scope situation, I have a hawke scope on my 17hmr that I could swap, I might have to mess around with the scopes etc and see what works out best.

Ah I might have to take you up on that SGArms! ( sorry don't know your name yet 😂) yes my main permissions are around Crowhurst Park in Battle. I lost a big permission in whatlington during lockdown, but hopefully gaining some more soon, hence the night time shooting situation!
 
I've the drone 10x and wouldn't swap it for the world.
For spotting I've the Helion 38.
One thing to think on is if you go therm scope what will you spot with? there's obviously the safety aspect of spotting with a loaded rifle that you don't get with a therm spotter and dedicated NV scope.
If money is tight "we've all been there with a family" I'd suggest thinking about a decent NV scope and wait till money is better then get a therm spotter, if you know your land you can always flash a high-powered torch over the field fast and if you get a ping of eye shine investigate on your scope if its safe to.
 
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