Totally new to reloading... advice please on kit for reloading .308

Hi
I've read a load of threads on here, and watched a lot of Youtube, but I have never actually done any reloading myself!
Since it is a 2 hour round trip to my nearest RFD, there are a lot of reasons to get into reloading. not least that I have spent about £150 this month on factory ammo!
The main purpose will be to hunt deer (Roe, Fallow and Red), with plenty of practice to support this, at the range (4 hour round trip, unless I get some land soon!). And I am using a new Sako A7 in .308.
If you can help please, I am looking for a shopping list of decent kit. And recommended powder and head combinations for the above animals. So far my rifle seems to like Sako (no surprises) Gamehead 123gr and Federal 150g softpoint. Bur Winchester Super x 150 and PPU 150 softpoint have not grouped as well.
I have had an offer to be shown how, if I bring a set of dies, powder, primers and heads round - but this is where the baffling number of combinations come in. I also appreciate my barrel will have it's own favourites, but a staring point would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Advance.
Martin
 
reloading is a very satisfying and quite addictive pastime so you're in for some fun if you stick with it!. My advice would be as follows -
as you're doing already, watch and read as much as you can, Id add as the first step, buy a good book. The Lee reloading manual is a great place to start and in addition to a good description of method, has the all important data with which to start your load recipes.
Take up the advice of your friend and get him tio show you the ropes, invaluable aid to learning!

Dies - good dies would be RCBS and Forster, slightly cheaper are Lee. In truth they all do the same thing but I went for Forster from the start. You'll need a Full length resizer and a seating die as a minimum, personally I also use a Lee factory crimp die.

Primers - I use Federal 210, but CCI BR2 are also good, depends on what is easily available to you.

Bullets - depends what you are shooting really (target, vermin, deer etc) but in 308 you won't go far wrong with a 150gn soft point like a Sierra Gameking, once you have decided on bullet, look at the bullet manufacturers recommendations on powder and find a powder that is easily available.

We have to be Reach compliant now in the UK so many good US powders Like some Hogdons are no longer available, the good news is there is a plentiful supply of both RS and Vihtavouri, I dont reload 308, but a quick look at vihtavouri website points to N140 or N150.

then start your reloading, always keep within the recommended start and max loads, take it slow and methodically, and follow the advice given from your mentor, then stand back and reap the rewards! a load finely tuned to your specific rifle, hugely satisfying.
enjoy!
 
The mixed advantages of reloading do not include economy for me. That is the least good reason to get into it. Even discounting a value on your own time because it is a hobby. By the time you have added in the cost of trips to the range for load development let alone the cost of the gear and consumables you would never be able to justify it on monetary grounds. You will also be pulling the trigger far more often even if it is at half the cash outlay per pop.

It is impossible to match the economy of scale of commercial ammunition production, even with the inclusion of their's and the retailer's profit margin and markup.

On the other hand the real advantage of reloading is that you have a great reason to go to the range and pull the trigger a lot of times! I am sure that the improvement to my groups is actually more through practice at the range than actually the load and bullet combinations I have developed.

I like the fact that I can choose the type of bullet I want to use and can tweak the load so that it will work well in my rifle. I am not limited by what is on the local RFD's shelf in readymade, which may or may not suit the rifle...or me.

I would download the Lee first edition reloading manual (you can find it for free with an internet search) and look at the sticky on this forum for your overview. I would not use the load data in that first edition Lee book apart from for comparative interest. Use the loading data from the powder supplier which will be the most up to date and cross reference that with the load data from the bullet manufacturer.

As far as the shopping list goes, there is a huge difference between what you need and what you will eventually want.

A Lee Loader is the least expensive.

I started out with a Lee Anniversary Reloading Kit but couldn't get on with the Lee scales or chamfer tool.

I use the Lee breech lock press with locking bushes and Safety Primer Feed which clips onto the press.
A Lee Ultimate 4 die set plus Lee universal decapper and flaring dies and a Hornady cam lock bullet pulling die.
Lee perfect Powder thrower.
Redding powder trickler
Set of Oertling laboratory scales, way over the top with 0.2mg (0.003gr) division precision, but a mahogany and glass cased brass scientific instrument is a joy to use and can be had for less than the cost of a branded dedicated reloading balance...£40-ish on eBay last one I bought.
Home made case block
Lee case trimmer
Lyman case prep multi tool
Lyman Flash hole uniformer
Frankford Arsenal Impact/Inertia Bullet pulling hammer.
Ultrasonic Cleaner
Sievert propane torch and a bar of laundry soap for annealing
Electric drill for case trimming and annealing.

Probably forgotten somethings!

Alan
 
Thank you both.
I realise it's a hobby in itself, and I expect to spend more in the long run but I won't feel as bad getting more practice in when the ammo is half the price... And as you say, you have control over each round. Plus for me, no more trailing out to the RFD if I need more ammo than I have in.
Mix and match is clearly not an issue. If I was to get second hand, is there anything to avoid... do things ware out? My Visa card says I can buy new, but I do see people selling up from time to time, and that might be worth considering.
Thanks again.
Martin
 
Hi
I've read a load of threads on here, and watched a lot of Youtube, but I have never actually done any reloading myself!
Since it is a 2 hour round trip to my nearest RFD, there are a lot of reasons to get into reloading. not least that I have spent about £150 this month on factory ammo!
The main purpose will be to hunt deer (Roe, Fallow and Red), with plenty of practice to support this, at the range (4 hour round trip, unless I get some land soon!). And I am using a new Sako A7 in .308.
If you can help please, I am looking for a shopping list of decent kit. And recommended powder and head combinations for the above animals. So far my rifle seems to like Sako (no surprises) Gamehead 123gr and Federal 150g softpoint. Bur Winchester Super x 150 and PPU 150 softpoint have not grouped as well.
I have had an offer to be shown how, if I bring a set of dies, powder, primers and heads round - but this is where the baffling number of combinations come in. I also appreciate my barrel will have it's own favourites, but a staring point would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Advance.
Martin
There's a guy selling 308 reloading gear on classifieds now.
 
Martin - Advice above is good.
My advice is to have a copy of the Lee book to hand (or downloaded it for economy) Read it through & then refer to it later as you actually start the physical process.
Lee dies are fine - mine are still as good as new & have been in use for 30 years. -- Don't get taken in by "brand snobs". Do invest in a Lee decapping die.
Get a cast iron single stage press second hand. - Just check that the ram is a close smooth fit in the press body & the links aren't sloppy.
Start with a hand held Lee case trim setup maybe with a Zip trim as an upgrade, unless you find a Wilson or Redding bench mounted one cheap.
A RCBS chamfer tool is fine.
Get a beam scale rather than cheap electronic. Even the Lee scale which is often maligned by the tarts is accurate, repeatable & durable as well as being cheap.
The scoop that you get in a set of Lee dies & a powder trickler works fine _ if slow.
Many follks now soon migrate to an automatic powder dispenser/scale - the best value one of these is the Lyman Gen 6. Or a Targetmaster linked to a beam scale works extremely well too
For case cleaning there are plenty of options, but you can start with wire wool & a bronze brush to clean inside the necks for minimal outlay. For me the best way is to wet tumble with stainless steel pin media. - If I decap the cases first & then tumble all the cr*p is cleaned out as the cases & cleaned & polished. It is a massive time saver.
A Vernier caliper is invaluable - again no need to buy expensive or a Big reloading kit brand name. The mid price range options available from UK suppliers are good enough, precise enough & last well. - My £20 "Limit" cheapie is doing sterling service & it is 12 years old.

For components, assuming UK hunting & range work up to 400 yards, I'd suggest 125 or 150grain Sierra Prohunter bullets (cheap, decent quality bullets that perform well on our deer. Drive them with Vihtavuori N140 or N150 powder or the Reload Swiss RS52 rough equivalent, ignited with Sellier & Bellot primers which are cheap & work as well as any, better than some other brands.
Whatever your choice of components & powder, start at the powder makers' starting load & work up - don't take short cuts or believe anyone else's data will be perfect in your rifle!
Have fun

Ian
 
I use a Lee Breechlock press, and all other Lee kit. I find it to be just fine, and the cost is pretty reasonable. I actually bought the anniversary kit, and just changed the scale for a digital one, and the powder thrower for a more heavy duty one. The stuff that comes with the kit is MORE than adequate though. The only advice I can add as to actually loading for your own rifle is, pick a bullet, primer, and powder combination, and play with the charge weights until you find a load that suits you and your rifle. Don't fall into the trap of changing too many things at once, or chasing the highest velocities, or messing with seating depths to begin with? And decide from the outset if you're going to crimp your bullets or not. And stick to whatever you decide until you're confident enough to change. My .270 had superb groups at 5 grains under never exceed, and 3 grains under the minimum recommended manual weight. Guess which I went for?

Apart from that, don't rush, don't take shortcuts, and keep your workarea clear from clutter and distraction. And enjoy yourself!
 
you can not fire the head at anything it a bullet that leaves the barrel,best to start off correctly. ffs:stir:
 
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I got a pretty much unused redding 2 die set (full length plus seating die) was thinking of selling. £25 plus post if your interested. i can put photos up if you want
 
Reloading – what do you need?.
This question pops up regularly, so if you are thinking about starting reloading, here are a few ideas. I’m not going to name many product names but, more or less, make a list of essentials. I assume you have the requisite brass, bullets, primers and powders so this is just a list of the very basic kit so as to keep costs to a minimum. Beware, however, there is an infinity of apparently “essential” gear out there, all “vital” to the reloading process but, at the very least, detrimental to your bank account!.
-Firstly, get one or more reloading manuals and read thoroughly (see Reading List). You will then have a better sense of the kit needed and the way things work in this game. The ‘net is also excellent for info.
-Secondly, and most importantly, get an experienced reloader to show you the ropes. A mentor in this business is worth his weight in gold.

A word of warning before we start – Remember you are dealing with pressures of 50,000 psi or more, so caution should be your watchword.

- Press – you’ll need one of those, of course. The type of press you need depends upon the cartridges you will be loading; a press capable of handling up to 30-06 length will suffice for most of the usual cartridges. Generally speaking, a single stage press may provide better control of the reloading process for a new reloader. If you decide to load for cartridges of Magnum length(eg 375 H&H), then your press will need to be larger and, consequently, more costly.
I cannot give an answer as to the best makes and models, just get the best you can afford, preferably of steel and cast iron. Such a press should last for many years with a little TLC. Oil or grease the pivots and the ram occasionally, keep the press free of dust and anything else that might cause wear. With the addition of the appropriate dies, you will be able to carry out all the necessary steps in the reloading process ie, depriming, sizing, priming and bullet seating.
- Dies. All the well known manufacturers dies will, with a modicum of care, produce good ammunition. Dies usually come with the appropriate shellholders. Buy full length resizing dies to start. Neck sizing and other techniques can come later. To cut down on any possibility of wear in your dies make sure that your cases are clean before putting on the lube and resizing. I always wipe my cases and the interior of my dies with kitchen towel before starting. Occasionally cleaning your dies with your favourite bore cleaner is a good idea, too.
- Balance. A beam balance is probably as good as anything and reasonably priced. There are cheap electronic balances on the market but for cost-effectiveness the beam balance is probably best. Never leave your beam balance assembled, always lift the knife edges off the agates so as not wear them out. Agate is very hard, I know, but will wear in time and can make your balance inaccurate and/or inconsistent.. Put the balance away in it’s box to keep out dust and anything else which may damage it. Treated with care it will give good service for many, many years.
- Loading block. Most reloading companies do them and they are not expensive. You could make your own, of course, plywood or hardwood looks very nice. I made a couple from ¾” mahogany faced ply.
- Powder funnel. The usual plastic powder funnels are not expensive and serve their purpose very well. If you get powder granules sticking to the insides due to static, a wipe with one of those antistatic tumbledrier cloths will sort it out.
- Powder scoop. A small teaspoon(preferably stainless) is as good as anything for putting powder into the balance pan.
- Powder container. Small containers to contain sufficient powder for your loading session. I’ve used small plastic drinks beakers for many years.
- Calipers. A most important piece of kit. You’ll need a caliper to check the length of your resized cases as well as the final length of the completed round.. If your budget allows, a dial caliper of best quality, but there are a number of electronic models around £30 or less which will probably be just as good, although you do have to buy batteries. Don’t forget to remove the battery if not using the caliper for some time.
- Case trimmer or trim die. Trim or file dies are available to get all your cases to the same length but you’ll need one for every cartridge and it is probably cheaper in the end to get a case trimmer(like a small lathe, turned by hand). I’ve had my Lyman trimmer for many years.
-Case neck chamfer tool. This cleans up any burrs on the inside and outside of the mouth of the case after trimming or resizing. You’ll also use it to put a small chamfer on the inside of the case mouth to ensure smooth seating of the bullet. Lyman sell a good one.
- Primer pocket cleaners (large and/or small rifle). You can glue them into little wooden dowel handles for convenience
- Primer seating. This operation is usually taken care of by your press and will prove more than satisfactory to start – indeed, you may never feel the need to use any other method. If your budget will stretch to it, get a Lee Autoprime.
- Sizing Lube. I’ve used Imperial Wax for many years and never get stuck cases. Forget about the Lee Lube(lanolin base), I binned mine years ago after getting far too many cases stuck in dies.
- Hard nylon bore brush. Use this to clean the inside of the case neck prior to resizing and another candidate for a small dowel handle. It is important to ensure, as far as possible that the inside of the neck is clean in order to help get consistent neck tension, one of the prerequisites of accuracy.
- Bristle brush or Cotton Buds. To put a very, very small amount of lube inside the case neck prior to sizing and after cleaning with the above hard nylon brush. Alternatively, you can use graphite.
- Paper kitchen towels or good quality duster to clean off the lube after resizing both from the exterior of the case and the inside of the neck – unless you intend cleaning some other way.
- Tumbler? I don’t own one and do not clean my cases other than by removing the lube by wiping with a cloth and cleaning the primer pockets. I do, however, run all cases through the ultrasonic bath about every five loadings, although perhaps it may not be really necessary. You don’t really need an ultrasonic or a tumbler if your budget is tight. OTOH you could pop your cases in the washing machine inside some sort of bag, I suppose.
- Bullet pullers. Just as a writer has a rubber to erase errors, a bullet puller erases reloading mistakes. I recommend the collet type. It’s like a reloading die and goes in the press and with it you can unload ammo easily. I have found those inertia hammer things to be too slow, messy and inconvenient.

There are many other bits and pieces which are supposed to help to make more accurate ammo, but my advice is to concentrate on producing good safe ammunition, finessing can come along as you gain experience and expertise.

- A place to reload. This can be a problem and depends on your circumstances, house layout etc. One of the essentials is a sturdy reloading bench on which to mount your press. Now, I suspect that “Management” would object to holes in the dining room table so you’ll have to find a solution that suits your circumstances. One answer is a folding Workmate type bench. Your press can be bolted to a sturdy lump of wood and clamped in the bench “jaws”. The bench can be folded up after use and the press and its attached timber put away.
Don’t load in a room where there is a lot of traffic as the draughts will upset your balance. Find a nice quiet corner where you won’t be disturbed and draught free. Avoid distractions like TV or radio, you will need all your concentration, especially at the beginning. A bedroom/boxroom or the kitchen if disturbance can be kept to a minimum..
- Safety. I advise the use of safety glasses, particularly when priming. Although, by and large, the process of reloading is quite safe, you are dealing with powders which are flammable and primers which are quite sensitive to shock or static. Keep primers in their packaging (usually little trays), take only as many as you need at a time and make sure that those bits of kit which come in contact with them are wiped clean to ensure they do not have dust on the surfaces. Those tumbledrier antistatic cloths are good for this.

-For those addicted to the weed – need I remind you not to smoke whilst reloading?

- Reading list
The ABC's of Reloading (I strongly advise starting with this one.)
Metallic Cartridge Reloading
Modern Reloading by Richard Lee
Manufacturers Manuals:
Speer Manual
Lyman Metallic Reloading Handbook
Hornady Reloading Handbook
Sierra Manual

I hope this may prove useful
Peter
 
I like Lee reloading equipment, and that is what most of mine is, but no one manufacturer makes the best version of everything, and most of the brands either have gaps in their product line, or just simply some bad products. Lee for example have no bullet puller or powder trickler, and the Lee die lock rings are really awful, so to is the Lyman Pro 500 scale.

Each brand probably does have something that it does best, or that no other brand does, like the Lee FCD die or Redding's Imperial sizing wax, or the Forster Co-Ax press as examples.

It's good fun and highly addictive.
 
Thank you again, for taking the time to advise me. PeteL - that was a lot of information - thank you!

I think I need a couple of days to let it all sink in now, and have some reloading conversations at the range this evening.

I don't think it will be long before I join the ranks!

Cheers

Martin
 
Thank you again, for taking the time to advise me. PeteL - that was a lot of information - thank you!

I think I need a couple of days to let it all sink in now, and have some reloading conversations at the range this evening.

I don't think it will be long before I join the ranks!

Cheers

Martin
Martin
If you are a low tec guy a lee loader is a great place to start. I have added some things but I have now loaded a respectable load (for stalking not target shooting) that despite taking time to test hasn’t taken long at all.

The lee loader works without a press (use a hammer).

I have also bought a set of scales so I have been able to load incremental weights of powder.

Starting to add other bits but if you bought a lee loader, a set of scales and 100 new brass in your calibre you would be set to go.

You can’t use second hand brass unless it is from your own gun as the lee loader doesn’t resize the brass fully.

Somewhere on here I have written a process for using the lee loader if you search for it.

I have found the simplicity great fun and won’t be getting a press for my needs.
 
Thanks, I read your thread the other day and it did give me food for thought, also that I have limited space at the moment!
Can't say I like the thought of the hammer, but I'm sure I would get over it. And the suggestion of the inertia hammer too.
I'll have a serious think about this option as I have the same requirements as you.
Thanks again
Martin
 
Thanks. The one thing I already have is the redding die set, I think n140 would have been my choice too, but I appreciate the suggestion for heads, I was unsure which to go for there.
Next time I'm near my rfd, I'll get both. I have enough of my own once fired brass to make a start too.
Cheers
Martin
 
Thanks. The one thing I already have is the redding die set, I think n140 would have been my choice too, but I appreciate the suggestion for heads, I was unsure which to go for there.
Next time I'm near my rfd, I'll get both. I have enough of my own once fired brass to make a start too.
Cheers
Martin
Sounds ideal when you have your pal round the corner who is going to help out. Have fun you will do more shooting if you load - what’s not to like!
 
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