Well the thing is Geordie, I thought that was what this section of the Forum and other sections of the forum are designed for not just for commercial stuff, correct me if I am wrong of course... But to think a little outside the box, I had the opportunity about 18 months ago to have a go at a couple of troublesome foxes, it was a good two and a half hours drive away, so a five hour round trip. I did a couple journeys to the ground, foxes, rooks ect, whilst I was over that way, believe it or not I picked up another permission from another landowner close by. The first landowner was selling feed stock for horses and also kept chickens as pets hence the request to sort the foxes out. While I was there the first owner told the other owner what I was doing and he asked me onto his ground as well. I did, but the distance was a bit prohibitive. Now getting onto my point in this conversation.......... I am a member of another few forums and have loads of contacts on these forums. I have three blokes in the area that I had been offered, I discussed this with a mate of mine who is admin on that forum and he recommended one out of the three to me. I OFFERED THE TWO SHOOTING PERMISSIONS TO THIS BLOKE. As you can imagine he bit my hand off. Both permissions were within two miles of each other and the lad lived less than five miles from the land I offered him. Ok you may say that things like this are few and far between, but they do pop up. I was doing the decent thing and putting some complete stranger I didn't know onto this ground without any financial incentive. It was done on the personal recommendation of a mate of mine, so I wasn't putting a idiot onto the ground. I registered for this forum a couple of years ago and if you see my previous few posts I am not too hot with computers so lost how to find this forum, I came across it the other day and started to post up again. All be it a little misunderstood by the long term members on here. But I have explained myself after I took a step back and realised that what I was thinking in my head did not necessarily come across very well when typed in on this forum. Since I posted up all I seem to be getting is grief from people which is a bit uncalled for, especially now that I explained myself somewhat, on the other forums, newcomers are not treated in this manner unless they really step out of line. I do not believe I have stepped out of line as such, perhaps a little bit less wordly wise compared to others, but I would really appreciate it if you could cut me some slack and think before you type. This is not the way to retain members who could contribute to what looks on the surface to be a good group. Thanks