WHO and Government Vaccine Narrative I'm Confused

[mchughcb]

I totally understand where you're coming from, but I would encourage you to have the second jab. I have spent the last year or so examining many patients who currently have/have had covid. Its effects on the lungs can be scary at times, even occasionally among those with "only minor symptoms".

I'm not having a go, or trying to preach from my soapbox, and at the end of the day it is all just down to the individual. But the way I see it, we're all here because we enjoy our country sports, and protecting our lungs mean we can enjoy them for longer.

How does that shape up against those that smoke, morbidly obese?

I lost half a lung due to cancer 9 years ago now. Yet hunting on the weekend I'm waiting for all the fellow hunters who put on 14 kilos during stage 4 lockdown to be honest if they don't shed that weight they are for an early grave even without covid.

 

[MackayRSA]

How does that shape up against those that smoke, morbidly obese?

I lost half a lung due to cancer 9 years ago now. Yet hunting on the weekend I'm waiting for all the fellow hunters who put on 14 kilos during stage 4 lockdown to be honest if they don't shed that weight they are for an early grave even without covid.

You're not wrong there, smoking and obesity have massive effects on lung health, and I'm sure there are many more people with those issues than with covid 19. I'm glad to hear you're doing well though, keep putting those guys to shame!

Changing the subject, im assuming you are the same Mchughcb I am subscribed to on YouTube? If so, I'm very jealous of your blaser bockdrilling

 

[mchughcb]

You're not wrong there, smoking and obesity have massive effects on lung health, and I'm sure there are many more people with those issues than with covid 19. I'm glad to hear you're doing well though, keep putting those guys to shame!

Changing the subject, im assuming you are the same Mchughcb I am subscribed to on YouTube? If so, I'm very jealous of your blaser bockdrilling

Yes it is me. And hopefully this year you are going to see a lot more hunting with it. My firearms aren't safe queens.

 

[Everlong]

If we multiply that by 7 billion people that's 15,235 people who may get blood clots!! If we can save just one person.

It's a lower rate of blood clots than that in people who have NOT been vaccinated. Therefore in actual fact statistically the vaccine reduces your risk of getting clots.

 

[Tazz]

The statistics for suspending the use of AZ vaccine don’t stack up, read any of the independent studies and for the total numbers vaccinated that level of “ blood clots“ the actual details to date

So far across the EU and UK, there have been 15 events of DVT and 22 events of pulmonary embolism reported among those given the vaccine. That is no different to what you would expect if you simply tracked the same size group of the same age and health ranges that had not been vaccinated. I have had my first AZ jab and will be getting my second early May. The stat they could calculate is how many more people are going to be infected, become ill and a small percentage die because their planned vaccination was suspended, given Italy has a ragging second wave happening, the decision to suspend will cost lives there

I just wonder if AZ were a fully owned French or German company if the interpretation of the data may have lead to a different outcome

 

[slider]

Going for mine this afternoon. Keen to get it done before the Govt bow to pressure and pull the plug!

 

[User00035]

Double post. Delete

 

[User00035]

Do love a conspiracy.

Funny though. My wife (a non-conspiracy, apolitical, Covid Nurse) shares your views.

Don't think it's a conspiracy. The evidence is pretty clear.

 

[kennyc]

a friend of mine died in her late 30's of a pulminary embolism. this was 20 years before the current vaccine! sadly blood clots are a fact of life, and until there is evidence to prove that the AZ vaccine increases the probability then most of this is just politics.

 

[Freeforester]

Had to laugh - a spokesperson interviewed this morning on BBC R4 cited ’expediency‘ (as in, “we’re in the midst of a pandemic, there’s not time to waste”) as a reason to keep on with the vaccine; what a pity they didn’t ask her the same question as to why it is, given the unimpeachable 35 year safety record of Ivermectin, and all the dozens of positive studies which attest to its efficacy all around the world, that “more evidence” is needed for its ’safe’ use, never mind it’s efficacy - talk about ‘through the looking glass’...

It’ll be ‘interesting’ to see where they turn when the next variant which turns out not to be so accommodating in its reaction or otherwise to the vaccine gains traction.

 

[Rafter]

My neighbor's (ex) wife used to say she had marital thrombosis -she married a clot.

He was smart enough to divorce her though, so not all bad.

 

[njc110381]

My take on it is I'd rather lick chip and pin machines than have a vaccine. Nature has provided us with immunity for as long as we've existed, I'm perfectly happy for that to continue. If I die, oh well, I'm hardly a rare species! At some point the human race needs to realise that its numbers are getting ridiculous. So what if a few of us die - lets face it that's exactly what the planet needs right now!

 

[Liveonce]

My take on it is I'd rather lick chip and pin machines than have a vaccine. Nature has provided us with immunity for as long as we've existed, I'm perfectly happy for that to continue. If I die, oh well, I'm hardly a rare species! At some point the human race needs to realise that its numbers are getting ridiculous. So what if a few of us die - lets face it that's exactly what the planet needs right now!

You die who cares but you? Pass it on unknown to somebody else in your family, friends or even a stranger then everyone cares.
Yes your body has immunity but it does not always work look at how many die with flu each year or the 1918-20 pandemic.
Unless you have some medical condition that prohibits you from taking the vaccine you owe it to all to do so.

 

[njc110381]

You die who cares but you? Pass it on unknown to somebody else in your family, friends or even a stranger then everyone cares.
Yes your body has immunity but it does not always work look at how many die with flu each year or the 1918-20 pandemic.
Unless you have some medical condition that prohibits you from taking the vaccine you owe it to all to do so.

I need more clarification really. My understanding of a vaccine is that it's virus cells which have been made inert so the body can learn to fight it without being put at risk? So if I'm healthy enough my body should learn to fight it naturally by exposure. I can see why the vulnerable need a vaccine, I can't see why healthy people do? The end result regarding me spreading it should be the same once that immunity has been established?

 

[Liveonce]

I need more clarification really. My understanding of a vaccine is that it's virus cells which have been made inert so the body can learn to fight it without being put at risk? So if I'm healthy enough my body should learn to fight it naturally by exposure. I can see why the vulnerable need a vaccine, I can't see why healthy people do? The end result regarding me spreading it should be the same once that immunity has been established?

Interesting view, I have never had a flu jab, believing like you I am healthy and my body should learn to fight it.

However covid is not like the flu it is very much more contagious and where do you draw the line regarding the definition of vulnerable?
I took the covid vaccine not just for my own personal benefit but for all I come in contact with and to allow life for all to return to normal as quickly as possible. Think you could be virus free now, refuse the vaccine, become infected and asymptomatic, passing it on without even knowing you are, to your loved ones etc.

 

[njc110381]

Interesting view, I have never had a flu jab, believing like you I am healthy and my body should learn to fight it.

However covid is not like the flu it is very much more contagious and where do you draw the line regarding the definition of vulnerable?
I took the covid vaccine not just for my own personal benefit but for all I come in contact with and to allow life for all to return to normal as quickly as possible. Think you could be virus free now, refuse the vaccine, become infected and asymptomatic, passing it on without even knowing you are, to your loved ones etc.

I draw the line at the hospitalisation and death number charts. Under 45 and you've got as much chance of sprouting a fanny as you have of dying of covid. Well maybe not that unusual, but it's close.

 

[sh1kar]

 

[Tazz]

I need more clarification really. My understanding of a vaccine is that it's virus cells which have been made inert so the body can learn to fight it without being put at risk? So if I'm healthy enough my body should learn to fight it naturally by exposure. I can see why the vulnerable need a vaccine, I can't see why healthy people do? The end result regarding me spreading it should be the same once that immunity has been established?

Everyone has the right their option and actions but with a pandemic it’s not just you that is affected by your actions it’s the effect you can have on others as potentially an Asymptomatic spreader. I think you have a very dated view/understanding of how most modern vaccines are developed, there is no CV19 in the vaccination it’s mRNA based and so in simple terms it “ tricks your body”s immune system in to creating anti bodies. Fortunately there are enough people taking an alternative view to you and being vaccinated to enable us to unlock the country and try and get back towards some level of normality and the economy moving again

 

[Freeforester]

16 fatalities worldwide out of 3,7,000,000 doses of Ivermectin (an anti-coagulator type, FDA, WHO approved safe drug, which also happens to prevent viral reproduction, effective against the emerging variants too) administered over forty years; shame those in the upcoming ”gap” won’t have the choice. Probably not bus-proof either, though.
Still, just sayin’

 

[Liveonce]

I draw the line at the hospitalisation and death number charts. Under 45 and you've got as much chance of sprouting a fanny as you have of dying of covid. Well maybe not that unusual, but it's close.

Let’s just hope you meet nobody over 45 then for the rest of your life as covid will not go away for along time yet.