They've been vaccinated. If it works, what does it matter either way?
WHO and Government Vaccine Narrative I'm Confused
- Thread starter mchughcb
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Just as well not everybody thinks like that then is it not? Otherwise nobody would take the vaccine, look around Italy locked down, Paris to lockdown as France fears third wave. For once this country is leading the way back to normality.
I spoke to a “young 40” lady in America yesterday she was desperate for the vaccine.
Limpet
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Having a bad day? This is unlike your normal well thought through discussions...... just saying.
So do I take it you have not been vaccinated agains, Polio, Chickenpox/Smallpox, Mumps etc or did you parents take a slightly more scientific approach as that’s how those diseases have now been almost eradicated in most western countries
The difference really is that vaccines while highly effective on average don't give total protection to individuals, or may not protect an individual at all; but if you can get a high enough percentage of a population vaccinated, then it can prevent the disease from being able to survive in a population at all.
So vaccines like polio, or TB work on two levels. One they provide some protection to the individual. Second, when used widely enough, they protect everybody by denying the disease anywhere to exist.
Freeforester
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For as far as ‘vaccines’ go, the Novavax one looks promising for farther down the line, if the protection, anti shedding and anti-coagloation properties that Ivermectin provides is a bit ’too much’:
mchughcb
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This probably the best newspaper in Qld. Far more entertaining than the Courier mail
I wouldn't ever dream of telling someone not to have a vaccine. It's personal choice. Lucky or not a lot of people are having it. Nobody so far has been able to tell me why a natural immunity won't work the same as a vaccination immunity? I'm all ears. I want things explained - simply telling me I'm stupid isn't going to change my mind but I welcome anyone to explain it to me so I might.
Cut+Squirt
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Receive jab, take an aspirin.
Problem solved
Problem solved
But to get natural immunity you have to catch covid, the outcome of which could result in you being asymptomatic passing the virus around without even knowing so, or you maybe one of the unlucky ones and end up in intensive care putting yet more strain on the NHS or even dying. Surly having the vaccine is better than playing Russian roulette with yours or other people’s lives.
flatliner
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You're perfectly within your rights to ask those questions. They are vaccines, that are rough 9 months old,that have been granted an emergency licence, and have no long term test data.
So what’s the alternative? How would you suggest we find away out of the pandemic? Just let it run it’s course like the 1918-20 flu?
Going back months and looking at the hospitalisation and death rate charts for people in my age group, it's hardly roulette. More similar to going outside and crossing a busy road.
Likewise, I still don't know anyone who's died from it. Loading a thousand round revolver cylinder, spinning it and pulling the trigger is hardly playing roulette with other people either. There's not a single covid patient in ICU in my area currently.
If you are all ears ask your parents what you were vaccinated against as a child thats how a number of serious diseases have been largely eradicated in this country, Polio Smallpox Mumps etc. Or did the doctors say you didn’t need any as you were clearly going to be a “natural immunity” child
That wasn't my choice. It's irrelevant.
May be because the heard immunity is starting to take effect in your area. I would guess you are younger than I so see the risks differently. Then their is the issue of if you want to travel to different parts of this country or even leave the country to go abroad. If you are in an age group that gets offered the vaccine then only you can decide, depending on your risk assessment and lifestyle.
I'm 40, so on the verge of where the risks start to increase apparently. Herd immunity will start to play a huge part, and I suspect in time the vaccine will become less and less relevant. I fully appreciate the vulnerable needing it, that's fine, but do the rest of us really need it? What I don't like is just stabbing everyone for the sake of it before we really understand the long term impact of this. I suspect it will soon become just another niggle. Herd immunity will probably see it all but disappear amongst healthy people. It's just another new virus which came as a shock to our systems.
What it’s irrelevant that vaccines work and have saved millions of lives perhaps including yours, interesting view on modern medicine
palmer_mike
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You might not like to hear this but I find your attitude selfish in the extreme.
Vaccines, while very effective are not completely so in some cases. It is still possible for someone who is in a vulnerable state to contract Covid and get very ill (perhaps die) even if they have had the vaccine
Your choice in not getting vaccinated may not cause you harm, if you do catch Covid and become an asymptomatic spreader, your choice might just lead to the death of someone else.
Or you could get the jab and vastly reduce the risk of this scenario happening.
