Wild brown trout fishing Scotland query?

I’m not really a fly fisherman .. I can tie a fly on and thrash water with best of em on a stocked trout ponds …
Recently found a channel on YouTube
“Southside Flyfishing”
Where gent goes into wilds on small lochans etc ….
My query … this really appeals … what’s legality of this ? Surely need permission or permits ?
And as an aside what size / weight gear folk using for this ?
Cheers
Paul

I'm not a lawyer but was always told that someone owns all the fishing. Fishing for brown trout without a permit is a civil rather than criminal offence, salmon and sea trout are different. I do most of my fishing on the Isle of Lewis in the Hebrides, estimates vary but we have at the very least many hundreds of brown trout lochs and the fishing on many of them is owned by large sporting estates who generally give permission to fish by default. There aren't so many other places where similar arrangements exist and so permits seem to be required for even the most remote lochs, especially as estates change hands and come into the ownership of newer European money - similar things may be happening with stalking as well I guess. I appreciate that you are asking about permits and so are looking to do the right thing but the "entitled" view that poaching is fine if the loch is remote and no one sees you seems a bit out of place to me, especially when people on this forum might reasonably take exception to people poaching on their stalking ground. My experience is that, outside of Lewis, most lochs no matter how remote will require a permit and I find this really limits the ability to just pack the rucksack and walk while having a cast on all the waters I pass.

For what it is worth I sometimes make little videos of my days on the Lewis trout lochs. You should note that with real wild fish on the moor then, generally speaking, a 1lb trout is a good fish and a 2lb fish is quite remarkable. Most lochs hold much smaller trout, maybe up to 1/4lb, and you will be catching the size of fish that the loch can produce. There are lochs that can produce big fish but on Lewis part of the sport is in finding those for yourself with the quality of trout changing over time, no one is going to be telling you where to go for them but trout in the 5lb - 7lb range are a possibility but these once in a lifetime fish will, literally, be once in a lifetime. The Uists can offer a visitor more chance of a "big" fish while doing much less work for it but in my view it isn't real wild fishing and so it doesn't really suit me. The following video was shot a few weeks back and, pretty much, I caught what I expected to catch but interestingly the 2nd loch I fish used to be capable of producing either a rare but huge fish, or even a great day of maybe 20 - 30 trout of 1lb+ for a day. There is no human influence on this loch, it sits on top of the drainage, it is just that lochs change over time:



Or for a bit of everything in less than 3 minutes this might do the job:

 
You might like to buy a copy of Bruce Sandison's Trout Lochs of Scotland- tells you where the main fishing lochs are, how to get there and whether you need permission and who to obtain it from. However it is truly a work of fiction as to what you might to expect to catch as i have found to my cost.

"Bruce Sandison confesses to being one of Britain¿s best-known purveyors of angling lies. His book The Trout Lochs of Scotland is described by his son as being "the finest work of angling fiction ever written".
Excellent book......but as you infer.....more of a guide rather than a book to be followed word for word! Much of it is out of date now and there was a hope that Bruce's widow or one of the family were going to do an update, sadly not as yet. However it is useful as a starting point and if you don't catch anything, you can blame him!:D
A very easy man to listen to and when you read the book, you can just imagine him having a chuckle as you miss yet another wee broonie.....
 
You might like to buy a copy of Bruce Sandison's Trout Lochs of Scotland- tells you where the main fishing lochs are, how to get there and whether you need permission and who to obtain it from. However it is truly a work of fiction as to what you might to expect to catch as i have found to my cost.

"Bruce Sandison confesses to being one of Britain¿s best-known purveyors of angling lies. His book The Trout Lochs of Scotland is described by his son as being "the finest work of angling fiction ever written".
Paul, I have a spare copy of this which you can have FOC. Need to catch up soon, got something to pick up at yours anyway.
 
Paul, I have a spare copy of this which you can have FOC. Need to catch up soon, got something to pick up at yours anyway.
Thank you !🙏
As per yer previous post no need to wait for invite for a cuppy kettles always on or a switch away ..

Paul
 
You might like to buy a copy of Bruce Sandison's Trout Lochs of Scotland- tells you where the main fishing lochs are, how to get there and whether you need permission and who to obtain it from. However it is truly a work of fiction as to what you might to expect to catch as i have found to my cost.

"Bruce Sandison confesses to being one of Britain¿s best-known purveyors of angling lies. His book The Trout Lochs of Scotland is described by his son as being "the finest work of angling fiction ever written".

Bruce gives a lot of info about Lewis lochs and I appreciate that, in view of the number of lochs on Lewis and throughout Scotland, it simply isn't possible that he has fished all of the lochs he writes about never mind has got to know them. However, his Lewis info at times appears to be complete misdirection and if I wanted to stop you catching decent fish then I'd give you a copy. It is true that for a fair percentage of lochs across Scotland saying something like "the loch holds a good head of trout to around 1/4lb that fight well and will come to a Blue Zulu and Black Pennell" is going to turn out to be true and as he says something approximating this quite often so he is also correct in these cases. Despite saying this the book is useful to give suggestions for lochs to fish and also suggestions for days out, or for groups of lochs to visit in one day.

Older versions of the book are available to read online if you are interested, certainly for Lewis the info is no worse than in more updated versions:

 
Even if you are fishing for salmon and sea trout you don't need a rod licence because there is no such thing and you don't need a game licence either.
You do need a rod license on the border Esk! This is because it is a shared fishing. To level out you can fish the south bank of the Tweed without a license assuming you have got permission.

David.
 
Funnily enough, you might be closer to the mark than you realise! @Stalker1962 ...... Many distant hill lochs were seeded with fry or small trout carried up in barrels/tubs on horseback - hence the widespread populations of Loch Leven strain trout. Fish have always been transferred legally and illegally, both by animals (roe on birds feet was always a favourite) and surreptitiously by anglers trying to "improve" stocks. I know of a couple of lochs that had fish carried up them in thermos flasks and buckets - obviously not now though with our strict transfer rules and regulations!
There is a large number of ruffe and roach in some lochs that were previously unused live bait (for pike etc) that were released at the end of the session which has caused a bit of ecological damage over the years, but humans have an unerring ability to find ways of moving creature around......
One of the largest wild brown trout I ever caught was in a puddle beside a bigger loch in scourie, miles from anywhere, wanted it stuffed and put up on the wall in scourie hotel until I was told the price, was around £50 per inch if I remember rightly, a few years back now😜
 
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