Wild justice latest attack on shooting.

[Free range rob]

It sounds to me this is aimed more at the public than defra, it’s the type of thing that sells an agenda, whilst we know it was most likely perfectly legal, and covered by the relevant GL, it conjures up images of a gun ho trigger happy guy killing things for the hell of it, and to WJ it is all about public perception of shooting and raising funds to become stronger, bigger, and more able to take more items on in the future with a public following.

 

[User00047]

hahaha
Oh well, at least we all got to help with the “big garden birdwatch” this year!
****ing mugs

 

[Rake Aboot]

Hate him all you like, but sit him in a room with the head of ANY Uk shooting organisation and have a populist vote with the general public and Packham would win it hands down.

Just because we don't agree with him does not make him wrong to the rest of the world.

He's the clever one here, not us.

 

[kes]

Least said, soonest mended. Or is that the reply to another thread ?

 

[CarlW]

Hate him all you like, but sit him in a room with the head of ANY Uk shooting organisation and have a populist vote with the general public and Packham would win it hands down.

Just because we don't agree with him does not make him wrong to the rest of the world.

He's the clever one here, not us.

I have got more respect for Packham than I have for the shooting organisations (and indeed many shooters). The man believes passionately and unwaveringly in his cause, and will do absolutely anything to further it. I wish we had more like him on our side.

 

[25 Sharps]

Whether you agree with this or not ( I do) that is simply perceived as bordering on racist. Shooting won't be saved by religious bigotry I'm afraid.

I'd ban all religions by the way but not on this thread.

?? No-one mentioned race! Too many people get race and religion confused

 

[countrryboy]

Must admit not read the article been a long time since I bought ST and the last few i have bought a purely for 1 article and only glance at the rest.

It does seem a very stupid article to write and if he intended to go out and shoot 1 of each species most likely breaking GL, hardly valid pest control shooting 1 pest bird.
Even decades ago ( well locally to me on many grass land, highgrou d shoots) shooting pigeons in the gun line will have been a big grey area as no crops to damage.

For years or possibly decades now our absolutely useles orgs had been fighting changing legislation and claiming victories when to be fairthey weren't as bad ascould off been
BUT in many cases they are setting new potential precedents.
The way the GL is worded now it is a few short step/legal challenges from seeing or bird only allows to be controlled while on a field of at risk crops ( bit like farmers defence for shooting deer, same set species on the damage crop) that means no stubble decoying or roost shooting.
Or only shooting for corbies in a field with lambs, for wild bird protection doa vulnerable species not have to be present..
Jut a waste of time.

There is quite another few bills that could very easily be tweaked to.
The game bird releasing bill imposing distances from areas expect that to increase massively over the years.
The same with he ivory and trophy import/export bills, could easily majorly affect our sports.

Shooting birds is completely screwed in this country now, only a matter of time, which won't be that long.
With it gone all the habitat management and creatation, our wildlife will be absolutely screwed too, I'd say it is already with far far far to many predators already

 

[AndrewS]

There is a risk of the anti-religious sentiment coming through more strongly than the animal welfare one here, I think?

My view is in fact that there are morally-questionable practices underpinning industrial-scale slaughter which run much deeper and further than whether the animal is stunned or not. Additionally, I'm aware that every time I shoot a deer through the chest, it dies by bleeding out while as conscious as it can be.

How many on here have actually been to a commercial slaughteer house? Not a pleasant experience (IMO).

 

[AndrewS]

Must admit not read the article been a long time since I bought ST and the last few i have bought a purely for 1 article and only glance at the rest.

It does seem a very stupid article to write and if he intended to go out and shoot 1 of each species most likely breaking GL, hardly valid pest control shooting 1 pest bird.
Even decades ago ( well locally to me on many grass land, highgrou d shoots) shooting pigeons in the gun line will have been a big grey area as no crops to damage.

For years or possibly decades now our absolutely useles orgs had been fighting changing legislation and claiming victories when to be fairthey weren't as bad ascould off been
BUT in many cases they are setting new potential precedents.
The way the GL is worded now it is a few short step/legal challenges from seeing or bird only allows to be controlled while on a field of at risk crops ( bit like farmers defence for shooting deer, same set species on the damage crop) that means no stubble decoying or roost shooting.
Or only shooting for corbies in a field with lambs, for wild bird protection doa vulnerable species not have to be present..
Jut a waste of time.

There is quite another few bills that could very easily be tweaked to.
The game bird releasing bill imposing distances from areas expect that to increase massively over the years.
The same with he ivory and trophy import/export bills, could easily majorly affect our sports.

Shooting birds is completely screwed in this country now, only a matter of time, which won't be that long.
With it gone all the habitat management and creatation, our wildlife will be absolutely screwed too, I'd say it is already with far far far to many predators already

It does seem a very stupid article to write and if he intended to go out and shoot 1 of each species most likely breaking GL, hardly valid pest control shooting 1 pest bird. - exactly, well put.

 

[badbob]

Quote Country Boy "Shooting birds is completely screwed in this country now, only a matter of time, which won't be that long.

I sit in the garden and what do I see.,a few small birds ,but mainly :-
Buzzards, sparrow hawks, carrion crows, jackdaws, and woodpigeons (eating my plants).

Licences.......General Licences ...........legal challenges........ Ive had enough. I`ll stick to deer (in season)

 

[Rake Aboot]

?? No-one mentioned race! Too many people get race and religion confused

Read the post, percieved as bordering on.

Go out in the street and shout anti muslim chants at muslim people, see what the cops charge you with and report back here.

Anti muslim = racist to most folk.

I agree it's not, but that is how it is percieved.

Either way, it's a dumb argument to use it to try and justify shooting.

 

[@theroedeerguy]

Wonder if the legislation concerning the protection of wild birds extends to gathering and/or eating their eggs?

Hitherto I had been under the impression that it was, but I don’t know, hence the question.

Yes, Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 section 1(c).
General licence allows the removal and destruction of some bird species eggs in certain circumstances.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

How many on here have actually been to a commercial slaughteer house? Not a pleasant experience (IMO).

I have and you are correct!

 

[Cranborne]

Licences.......General Licences ...........legal challenges........ Ive had enough. I`ll stick to deer (in season)

Deer management is probably safe, as all the new breed of conservationists seem to dislike deer. The problem will be if there is a drive for all culls to be done by professional contractors only, because it's deemed unpalatable to have recreational stalkers doing so in case they get some pleasure from it.

 

[25 Sharps]

How many on here have actually been to a commercial slaughteer house? Not a pleasant experience (IMO).

Grandfather owned one......

 

[25 Sharps]

Read the post, percieved as bordering on.

Go out in the street and shout anti muslim chants at muslim people, see what the cops charge you with and report back here.

Anti muslim = racist to most folk.

I agree it's not, but that is how it is percieved.

Either way, it's a dumb argument to use it to try and justify shooting.

I’m sorry but disagreeing with Halal and kosher slaughter methods does not make you a racist, neither does saying it is more cruel than shooting, it may just mean you are someone who cares for animal welfare.

 

[25 Sharps]

, I'd say it is already with far far far to many predators already

get out and shoot some then

 

[jall55]

We really all must do more to show off the benefits of our beloved sport
From game crops / wild bird covers to winter feeding and pond creation
Pictures of just dead stuff are ok but dont really get across what we are all about

 

[RJD]

My thoughts precisely , why would you put that in a shooting magazine for all to see in this day and age.

The attitude of the current editor is repellent, believes he is untouchable, the obnoxious response when I write to him to point out their writings about shooting grouse out of season means this is no surlrise.

 

[Fadcode]

I have got more respect for Packham than I have for the shooting organisations (and indeed many shooters). The man believes passionately and unwaveringly in his cause, and will do absolutely anything to further it. I wish we had more like him on our side.

What you say is right, I think, but I often wonder about Packham, when he was younger he actually stole a Kestrel Chick out of a nest and tried to raise it, but it died after a few weeks, and this devastated him, he buried the dead bird and for the next 17 years or so came back to its grave on the anniversary of the birds demise, was that cute behaviour,? or something else?, a guilty conscience perhaps, same as keeping his dead dog in the freezer, has he got this extreme bewilderment for raptors and song birds, because he knows he has to make amends for his ruthless behaviour in his youth.
Fanatical behaviour is the worst kind, because fanatics are not willing to listen to coherent arguments, because they fear being proved wrong, same with the general public, all they know is what they see and listen too, and no-one puts are side of the story to them, and unfortunately once they make up their mind it's very hard to get the to change their views.