Wretched speeding ticket!

I had thought 38 in a 30 is way over the ACPO guidlines for a Speed Awareness Course

10% + 2mph is the normal limit

but apparently that has changed!
Drivers who exceed speed limit by more than 10mph will escape points and fines (in a move which brings back speed cameras) | Daily Mail Online

take the course and thank your lucky stars!!
As for insurance i would argue as you have neither the conviction nor the points that it is not even something you should be notifying them about.
this is voluntary, you are not being forced, no different to doing a skid pan training day or any other driver training as far as they are concerned.

Admiral are asking apparently, & If you don't cough to it they can invalidate your insurance in the event of a claim.
:shock:
 
when have insurers ever asked if you have been on a speed awareness course!?[/QUOTE]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ness-course-and-my-car-insurance-doubled.html
[Admiral is one insurer that openly admits it may still increase premiums. An Admiral spokesman said: “We pride ourselves on very accurately pricing the risk of every driver. Going on a speed awareness course, in our view, doesn’t alter the fact that you were caught speeding. We are perfectly entitled to price this into the risk.” ]


yet again inconsistent ideas by the insurnace industry
you may have been caught speeding but the offence is listed once convicted
getting caught is not the same as being convicted.

I did go on one of these, what surprised me the most was the number of people who had no clue what the speed limits are meant to be!!
The worst was a career van driver who was astounded that he is meant to be going 10mph slower than everyone else because he is in a van

its his job to know that surely!?
 
yet again inconsistent ideas by the insurnace industry
you may have been caught speeding but the offence is listed once convicted
getting caught is not the same as being convicted.

I did go on one of these, what surprised me the most was the number of people who had no clue what the speed limits are meant to be!!
The worst was a career van driver who was astounded that he is meant to be going 10mph slower than everyone else because he is in a van

its his job to know that surely!?


Twin wheelers.
 
NO - you do not 'have to disclose it'!!!!! The only organisations that can convict you of an offence are courts of law (and the speeding ticket by post is merely a way of offering you the chance to plead guilty without the court appearance) - not insurance companies, the Police nor FEO's. After all, you might well accept the challenge and offer a not guilty plea in court and win - some do! The point about Speed Awareness Courses is that they are an offer to 're-educate' you instead of fighting your corner in a court and possibly receiving a conviction. It is NOT a court conviction!! Admiral is merely a commercial for profit insurance company and will I'm sure be only too happy to raise your premium for not having a speeding conviction if you're daft enough to ask them to!! If Admiral, or any other insurance company, asks about speed awareness courses then vote with your feet - go elsewhere. They've never struck me as competitive anyway. You must disclose all relevant information yes, but 'relevant' doesn't include voluntary education courses.

FEO's.
When I applied for my FAC the visiting FEO had copies of my stupidity when I was 18 (35+ years previous) and my spent speeding tickets with him thus proving that , for the police, nothing is forgotten.
My application included everything that he had so all was well, but since I consider my FAC important, being upfront about things that might affect the way I am viewed by a FLT is no problem

If Admiral, or any other insurance company, asks about speed awareness courses then vote with your feet - go elsewhere
Just what the blokes running my course said :-D
 
Please can I send 1 million Slovakians to do this course.
Never have seen such shiite driving since 1996 in Buenos Aires (for instance normal practice here is to overtake and then at the last second on a motorway go from overtaking lane to the exit lane zappo right across your nose).
Now I speed up to block their way out because their body (car positioning) language makes it clear what is being planned in their pea sized noggins and boom the ****s have to brake and exit normally behind me.
I do not get satisfaction from this but it seems the only way to be safe here to have them do all their crap behind my car.
Martin
 
I think the virtue of cameras and thus camera fines is now being lost - speed limits are lower everywhere as the 'residents needs' outweigh the 'travelling public's needs' largely because the resident population vote for local councillors. Some local councillors are bicycle nuts and this and '20 is plenty' feeds in to agreeing with locals who demand lower transit speeds past their house or through their community - no one is going to vote for higher speeds. Speed limits used to be set by the speed at which 85% of the traffic travelled at or below and that met the needs of both groups. Now I feel the driver is open to being shafted unreasonably as it can be a money making opportunity and ever lower speeds offer significant new opportunities.
To relate exactly to the OP's post I was caught by a camera which I approved, outside my previous property, doing 45 in a 40 area - just broke the fine/no fine barrier. As I remember it I was reviewing what I was going to buy from B&Q for a DIY project.
Speed incidentally is a contributing factor to the level of and severity of road casualties - since crashes are 'random multi-factor events, speed alone as the cause of a crash is rare but does happen and probably not outside Pete's house.
 
Twin wheelers.


nope!
ANY VAN unless car-derived AND less than 2tons gross

Know Your Speed Limits


"What is a "car derived van"?
Under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, a "car derived van" is defined as:- "A goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes."
The important word in this definition is "and" as there are goods vehicles that look as if they are based on a passenger vehicle, but when the manufacturer puts a gross laden weight on the goods vehicle, which is the design weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load that it is designed to carry, and this exceeds 2 tonnes, that vehicle is no longer a car derived van. The van becomes an ordinary goods vehicle under 7.5 tonnes gross weight, and is therefore subject to the speed limits as shown in the Highway Code.
As a "rule of thumb" any van larger than a Vauxhall Astra van will have a gross weight in excess of 2 tonnes and is therefore subject to the reduced "class of vehicle" speed limits. Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, Mercedes Vito, Peugeot Expert and Ford Connect, for example, are restricted vans.
It is immaterial that a goods vehicle may be unladen at the time it is detected exceeding the speed limit. The construction of the vehicle that enables it to be used up to the 7.5 tonnes maximum weight is the relevant criteria.
 
Changing the subject slightly, I have never been invited to do the course, but have collected more than my fair share of points in 48 years of driving, it was brought to my attention by an FEO that this had been noted and that while a speeding ticket would not effect an application, the amount I had collected could be seen as not having respect for the law of the land, I am trying to be more careful these days, honest your Honour.
 
I always use the cruise control instead of the throttle pedal, even in a 30 limit.


That allows me to eat breakfast, check my makeup, read texts, etc, without worrying that I'll get caught out by a speed camera...
 
I always use the cruise control instead of the throttle pedal, even in a 30 limit.


That allows me to eat breakfast, check my makeup, read texts, etc, without worrying that I'll get caught out by a speed camera...

luckily they offer courses for some drivers caught 'driving without due care and attention' as well, lol
 
I always take great care...



... to not drop crumbs or smudge my eye liner... what are you suggesting? :shock:

I did wonder why we a lot of the photos we see of members of The Stalking Directory have their faces obscured!
And I'll bet they have accounts with Avon, and I hate to think what they are getting in their Christmas stockings!
 
nope!
ANY VAN unless car-derived AND less than 2tons gross. As a "rule of thumb" any van larger than a Vauxhall Astra van will have a gross weight in excess of 2 tonnes and is therefore subject to the reduced "class of vehicle" speed limits. Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, Mercedes Vito, Peugeot Expert and Ford Connect, for example, are restricted vans.
It is immaterial that a goods vehicle may be unladen at the time it is detected exceeding the speed limit. The construction of the vehicle that enables it to be used up to the 7.5 tonnes maximum weight is the relevant criteria.

Know Your Speed Limits


"What is a "car derived van"?
Under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, a "car derived van" is defined as:- "A goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes."
The important word in this definition is "and" as there are goods vehicles that look as if they are based on a passenger vehicle, but when the manufacturer puts a gross laden weight on the goods vehicle, which is the design weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load that it is designed to carry, and this exceeds 2 tonnes, that vehicle is no longer a car derived van. The van becomes an ordinary goods vehicle under 7.5 tonnes gross weight, and is therefore subject to the speed limits as shown in the Highway Code.
As a "rule of thumb" any van larger than a Vauxhall Astra van will have a gross weight in excess of 2 tonnes and is therefore subject to the reduced "class of vehicle" speed limits. Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, Mercedes Vito, Peugeot Expert and Ford Connect, for example, are restricted vans.
It is immaterial that a goods vehicle may be unladen at the time it is detected exceeding the speed limit. The construction of the vehicle that enables it to be used up to the 7.5 tonnes maximum weight is the relevant criteria.

Well for once I'm going to wade in on the side of a Trade Member who does make a genuine contribution to the SD site .... when he's not trying to flog something. :cool::-P

I drive a Ford Connect T230 hi-top van. I bought it from new, so it was very much a conscious decision (with £5K VAT to forego on my side which companies get back) for my dogs & kipping in. I did try 4x4's including Land Rovers but found there wasn't much usable space, and the garage bills outweighed the pose value.

My twin brother drives like a 'tit possessed' so is in the band of harassing motorists who snort up my exhaust. Perhaps I should fit trailing entrance ramps like the 'Italian Job' film so they can drive in for a cuppa, and be slavered over by spaniels as a punishment. I'm limited to 50mph on all roads apart from dual carriageways (60mph max), and the standard 70 on motorways. The van is a lot smaller than a LR 110, SUV, or estate.

My twin, who like me is no chicken, just didn't know these DOT limits existed.Not many do, and he just didn't believe me but as I popped out 10 minutes later he's senior. He just had to check it out on a bet so I'm £50 richer. Believe me, the police are aware of speed restricted traffic like LGV's & ANPR technology isn't outsmarted as your Reg. No. is logged on A-roads. I have been warned twice now for doing 55mph.

It seems to me that drivers are pressured to keep up with traffic, so there's a ripple effect in that everyone goes with the flow. Unreasonable slowness is just as much of a menace as speeding like a lunatic, but if you stick to the statutory limit you can't be faulted.

There needs to be some perspective on here. Far from being schoolboy ticking-offs, Speed Awareness courses are there to teach you to consider others, but mainly stopping distances and your likely reaction times when you're hoofing it or in a hurry. This is to deal with the dog or kid who might run onto the road, and in my case the added momentum from the weight of the load that I'm permitted to carry in an LGV but never do.

Also it's worth pointing out that usually the added costs of increased insurance premiums (+ the increased 9% Premium Tax from this month) are avoided for 3-5 years if you face an SP30 fixed penalty, and can do a SAC. Not everybody in the UK is offered this cop-out so (again) the system isn't fair for all.
 
BB
Being back in East Kent will make you feel right at home:???:
Nah just seems the locals like killing cyclists on the Deal to Dover road, Council refuses to put a footpath in due to costs, but their pensions always go up. Unbelievably high casualty rate there over the last 30 years.
Martin
 
I did wonder why we a lot of the photos we see of members of The Stalking Directory have their faces obscured!
And I'll bet they have accounts with Avon, and I hate to think what they are getting in their Christmas stockings!


Avon is supposedly a well known midge/skeeter repellent, I hear it was trialed by the Hereford crowd.:stir::norty:.
 
Please can I send 1 million Slovakians to do this course.
Never have seen such shiite driving since 1996 in Buenos Aires (for instance normal practice here is to overtake and then at the last second on a motorway go from overtaking lane to the exit lane zappo right across your nose).
Now I speed up to block their way out because their body (car positioning) language makes it clear what is being planned in their pea sized noggins and boom the ****s have to brake and exit normally behind me.
I do not get satisfaction from this but it seems the only way to be safe here to have them do all their crap behind my car.
Martin


This is in contravention of the highway code.
 
Maybe I read it wrong but the information on the web site states that the course fees are £40.00 - See the link below and have a read of the last paragraph titled Course feed and refunds.
https://ndors.org.uk/courses/

You will see, if you read it again, that the £40 refers to the "cost recovery element" part of the fee and not the actual total fee you pay which will also include the so called administration fee. The administration fee being the course providers bunce !
 
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