Deer Carcass Tags

[greenhillstairs]

Hi; I am continually working on expanding my new business venture "Hilltop Heritage", likewise interested in broadening My product range and services as a whole. I’m looking here for any valued advice, feedback or potential co-operation. Has anyone any experience with Deer Carcass tags or indeed Game tags in general. Part of my"real job" the day to day grind so to speak is involvement with Cable and Wire management/identification. Our firm produce and market a vast range of security seals and cable ties, a range that is ever growing with the wider requirements of Heath & Safety and general security/ traceability. With regards to these Deer Carcass tags, I and a few friends have used our company tags for personal use in our role as part time Deer controllers for Tilhill economic forestry. However our requirements are of course relatively minimal. Not even sure if there’s demand outthere for Carcass Tags, what that demand maybe. We certainly have the resource and know how to produceor replicate the ones I've seen in more commercial circulation, those I believe were supplied via Bushwear. I'm told they merely distribute small packs for personal use, they were I recollect also quite expensive for what they are. A head stalker friend of mine whom incidentally now uses our Plastic tags told me of Paper Label on a roll, but he was quite disparaging of them when they got wet or prolonged exposure in the larder/freezer. Our business usually trades in these direct with Airlines, the NHS for clinical waste in hundreds and often cases thousands. Ha!! certainly for my own use and I suspect most others, 10's of would more then suffice for the season. I'm not un-duly worried about these standard pack sizes, I have enough influence too break those down into say packs of 10. I may decide on a partner for such a venture, certainly I would not discount any partnership with someone whom is better placed to distribute/market the same. Whilst we also offer plain labels, we likewise have all our in-house state of the art identification systems. we can pretty much print on any tag or cable tie, we even used special heat shrink to create more complex logos for identification on cable ties. I have included a few examples below with a link likewise to the waste tags data only. For smaller user's they can likewise be readily marked with a permanent marker pen, we often give those "Sharpie" ones away with Tags as freebies to most customers. We have produced for company's whom use as "Free Gifts" at tradeshows, "Landrover Owner Mag" one example, or indeed used on the trade stand, just for additional branding and exposure. I even produced some myself with to promote my bespoke Heritage Landrover sales, likewise they are useually just handed out as a freebie. I would be very Interested on any feedback, this to see if indeed there is market out there for these, any suggestions, serious interest or otherwise would be most welcome. Thanks in advance



Link here on the Waste Tags data sheet; http://www.hilltop-products.co.uk/media/Tracewaste New 2015.pdf

 

[bogtrotter]

All Gamedealers supply tags free of charge to stalkers supplying them,so no need for anyone selling to a Game dealer to buy tags.
Game dealers want their own tags to be used on carcasses supplied to them.

No need to tag a carcase if its for your own use.

May be a market south of the border where stalkers may sell small numbers to the public something which is not allowed in the north.

Both Bushwear and the BDS sell tags whether the would be sufficient demand for it to worth while anyone else entering the market I don't
know.

 

[redlab]

Hi; I am continually working on expanding my new business venture "Hilltop Heritage", likewise interested in broadening My product range and services as a whole. I’m looking here for any valued advice, feedback or potential co-operation. Has anyone any experience with Deer Carcass tags or indeed Game tags in general. Part of my"real job" the day to day grind so to speak is involvement with Cable and Wire management/identification. Our firm produce and market a vast range of security seals and cable ties, a range that is ever growing with the wider requirements of Heath & Safety and general security/ traceability. With regards to these Deer Carcass tags, I and a few friends have used our company tags for personal use in our role as part time Deer controllers for Tilhill economic forestry. However our requirements are of course relatively minimal. Not even sure if there’s demand outthere for Carcass Tags, what that demand maybe. We certainly have the resource and know how to produceor replicate the ones I've seen in more commercial circulation, those I believe were supplied via Bushwear. I'm told they merely distribute small packs for personal use, they were I recollect also quite expensive for what they are. A head stalker friend of mine whom incidentally now uses our Plastic tags told me of Paper Label on a roll, but he was quite disparaging of them when they got wet or prolonged exposure in the larder/freezer. Our business usually trades in these direct with Airlines, the NHS for clinical waste in hundreds and often cases thousands. Ha!! certainly for my own use and I suspect most others, 10's of would more then suffice for the season. I'm not un-duly worried about these standard pack sizes, I have enough influence too break those down into say packs of 10. I may decide on a partner for such a venture, certainly I would not discount any partnership with someone whom is better placed to distribute/market the same. Whilst we also offer plain labels, we likewise have all our in-house state of the art identification systems. we can pretty much print on any tag or cable tie, we even used special heat shrink to create more complex logos for identification on cable ties. I have included a few examples below with a link likewise to the waste tags data only. For smaller user's they can likewise be readily marked with a permanent marker pen, we often give those "Sharpie" ones away with Tags as freebies to most customers. We have produced for company's whom use as "Free Gifts" at tradeshows, "Landrover Owner Mag" one example, or indeed used on the trade stand, just for additional branding and exposure. I even produced some myself with to promote my bespoke Heritage Landrover sales, likewise they are useually just handed out as a freebie. I would be very Interested on any feedback, this to see if indeed there is market out there for these, any suggestions, serious interest or otherwise would be most welcome. Thanks in advance



Link here on the Waste Tags data sheet; http://www.hilltop-products.co.uk/media/Tracewaste New 2015.pdf


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Haha valued advice = take out trade membership while promoting your business... then +1 for what bog trotter said

Ps all the tags i get from my game dealer are own branded

 

[greenhillstairs]

Haha valued advice = take out trade membership while promoting your business... then +1 for what bog trotter said

Thanks for the Advice Redlab, could have swore your banner was "Supporter" not Administrator, but your apology accepted in advance no worry's I have a trade Membership, its just they have not put up the Trade Member banner as such yet !! Ha!! wouldn't think SD admin would be too thrilled about my blatant "Heritage advertising banner" on my signature if I was not parting with the coin so to speak.

 

[greenhillstairs]

All Gamedealers supply tags free of charge to stalkers supplying them,so no need for anyone selling to a Game dealer to buy tags.
Game dealers want their own tags to be used on carcasses supplied to them.

No need to tag a carcase if its for your own use.

May be a market south of the border where stalkers may sell small numbers to the public something which is not allowed in the north.

Both Bushwear and the BDS sell tags whether the would be sufficient demand for it to worth while anyone else entering the market I don't
know.

Thanks "BogTrotter" useful info there, maybe target the Game dealers any on here? I'm guessing they don't make nor brand there own!

 

[Greymaster]

Hi; I am continually working on expanding my new business venture "Hilltop Heritage", likewise interested in broadening My product range and services as a whole. I’m looking here for any valued advice, feedback or potential co-operation. Has anyone any experience with Deer Carcass tags or indeed Game tags in general.

Part of my"real job" the day to day grind so to speak is involvement with Cable and Wire management/identification. Our firm produce and market a vast range of security seals and cable ties, a range that is ever growing with the wider requirements of Heath & Safety and general security/ traceability.

With regards to these Deer Carcass tags, I and a few friends have used our company tags for personal use in our role as part time Deer controllers for Tilhill economic forestry. However our requirements are of course relatively minimal. Not even sure if there’s demand outthere for Carcass Tags, what that demand maybe. We certainly have the resource and know how to produceor replicate the ones I've seen in more commercial circulation, those I believe were supplied via Bushwear. I'm told they merely distribute small packs for personal use, they were I recollect also quite expensive for what they are.

A head stalker friend of mine whom incidentally now uses our Plastic tags told me of Paper Label on a roll, but he was quite disparaging of them when they got wet or prolonged exposure in the larder/freezer. Our business usually trades in these direct with Airlines, the NHS for clinical waste in hundreds and often cases thousands. Ha!! certainly for my own use and I suspect most others, 10's of would more then suffice for the season. I'm not un-duly worried about these standard pack sizes, I have enough influence too break those down into say packs of 10.

I may decide on a partner for such a venture, certainly I would not discount any partnership with someone whom is better placed to distribute/market the same. Whilst we also offer plain labels, we likewise have all our in-house state of the art identification systems. we can pretty much print on any tag or cable tie, we even used special heat shrink to create more complex logos for identification on cable ties.

I have included a few examples below with a link likewise to the waste tags data only. For smaller user's they can likewise be readily marked with a permanent marker pen, we often give those "Sharpie" ones away with Tags as freebies to most customers. We have produced for company's whom use as "Free Gifts" at tradeshows, "Landrover Owner Mag" one example, or indeed used on the trade stand, just for additional branding and exposure. I even produced some myself with to promote my bespoke Heritage Landrover sales, likewise they are useually just handed out as a freebie.

I would be very Interested on any feedback, this to see if indeed there is market out there for these, any suggestions, serious interest or otherwise would be most welcome. Thanks in advance



Link here on the Waste Tags data sheet; http://www.hilltop-products.co.uk/media/Tracewaste New 2015.pdf


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[greenhillstairs]

Paragraphs make for an easier read.

I take it Your a trade Member likewise Grey without a Trade Banner as yet?? this seeing as you have very kindly included a link to your trade website. http://www.warringahshire.co.uk/

 

[big ears]

Is this a game of "Banner Envy"?

BE

 

[redlab]

Is this a game of "Banner Envy"?

BE

nah probably just advertising without taking out trade membership.......

 

[howa243]

I don't know much about these things having just bought my first ever tags from BDS, there are occasions when some data might need to be added to the tag and this doesn't look achievable on those tags?

 

[nun_hunter]

nah probably just advertising without taking out trade membership.......

Seeing as the Hilltop banner appears at the top on the scrolling advertising bar I think it'd be hard to get admin to do that without paying to advertise.

 

[redlab]

Seeing as the Hilltop banner appears at the top on the scrolling advertising bar I think it'd be hard to get admin to do that without paying to advertise.

OOPS!!!! fair point apologies to the op - didn't see that. That said don't know what the other game dealers are like but all the ones that I use up here have there own tags - and want you to use there tags - guess it depends who you would be selling to.
That and the fact that if dealers supply them free why would you pay for them?

 

[bogtrotter]

I don't know much about these things having just bought my first ever tags from BDS, there are occasions when some data might need to be added to the tag and this doesn't look achievable on those tags?

Dealer tags are have dealers details or logo and are individually numbered for traceability

spaces for location, date, species ,sex and a section for your signature to say as a trained hunter you have done the necessary checks

All you really need on a carcase, all stalkers should' be keeping records you can add as.much additional data there as you wish

 

[Treedave]

All Gamedealers supply tags free of charge to stalkers supplying them,so no need for anyone selling to a Game dealer to buy tags.
Game dealers want their own tags to be used on carcasses supplied to them.

Not the case south of the border, as you put it. The dealers I go to expect you to have tagged it and keep them for their records. Perhaps it's more to do with how the carcass is used by the dealer i.e. Sold on whole = tag required, skinned and processed on site = tag out on site.

No need to tag a carcase if its for your own use.

May be a market south of the border where stalkers may sell small numbers to the public something which is not allowed in the north.

I doubt "private sales" have many tags used.

Both Bushwear and the BDS sell tags whether the would be sufficient demand for it to worth while anyone else entering the market I don't
know.

I presently use the BDS tags which serve the purposed. One thing you could do in your position is personalise tags i.e. Have the hunters number and name already on the tag, not sure if it would become an issue over quantities. Along the same theme, you could offer them to organisations that cull deer (National trust, RSPB, local DMG's etc) with customised info on them. I know the FC have their own labels that tie into their data collection system, no idea if they require contractors/lease holders to use them though.

I think there's a business opportunity, especially if you can make them tamper proof and more weather/chiller resistant. If it's worth it, only you'll know that.

 

[devon deer stalker]

All Gamedealers supply tags free of charge to stalkers supplying them,so no need for anyone selling to a Game dealer to buy tags.
Game dealers want their own tags to be used on carcasses supplied to them.

No need to tag a carcase if its for your own use.

May be a market south of the border where stalkers may sell small numbers to the public something which is not allowed in the north.

Both Bushwear and the BDS sell tags whether the would be sufficient demand for it to worth while anyone else entering the market I don't
know.

Same at my game dealers, they supply the tags, makes life much simpler.

As for the OP, to be honest i doubt they have a use as 'tags' to be placed on a carcass in the format in your pictures.
I like the tags on the roll, they just peel off and attach through the hocks, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Cheers

Richard

 

[greenhillstairs]

Hi; Just a quick update, the Carcass tags are now up and running and part of the range. I took a few bags along to Poland on a recent trip and they went down very well. The Poles has we all know are "Ingenious" at coming up with Heath Robinson solutions and of course already have some identification in place, if a "wee" bit crude at times. However my longstanding Hunting pal out there was interested in Tagging game at the driven hunts. Though usually not too much of a problem identifying who shot what and were, on some of the bigger drives he openly admitted on occasion it can be a little "Chaotic" if the game cart is not very carefully co-ordinated. With upto 35 Boar shot and over half that figure again with Roe and a few Red deer thrown in, its not unknown for the odd slightly heated debate after a drop or too of the local tipple.

Of course not really applicable to our own UK sport, still it was pleasing that immediately I introduced them "the light went on" and my big bag of samples disappeared almost as quickly as the smoked sausage starter

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/252353152689

http://www.hilltop-products.co.uk/c...security-seals/carcass-tags.html#.Vxj-AqNwaUn

 

[greenhillstairs]

Same at my game dealers, they supply the tags, makes life much simpler.

As for the OP, to be honest i doubt they have a use as 'tags' to be placed on a carcass in the format in your pictures.
I like the tags on the roll, they just peel off and attach through the hocks, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Cheers

Richard

No disrespect Richard, but paper goes down great mixed with Blood, Mud, Water & Snow. Its not likewise exactly known for its particularly "hard wearing" properties. I too like the adage if it ain't broke don't fix it, however prefer Continuous improvement!! "Wee" picture of A south African Game tag they use out on the Veld !

 

[greenhillstairs]

I presently use the BDS tags which serve the purposed. One thing you could do in your position is personalise tags i.e. Have the hunters number and name already on the tag, not sure if it would become an issue over quantities. Along the same theme, you could offer them to organisations that cull deer (National trust, RSPB, local DMG's etc) with customised info on them. I know the FC have their own labels that tie into their data collection system, no idea if they require contractors/lease holders to use them though.

I think there's a business opportunity, especially if you can make them . If it's worth it, only you'll know that tamper proof and more weather/chiller resistant.

Thanks very much TreeDave for the Positive feedback, it is much appreciated. We do quite a bit a work already with all manner of government agency's such as the Forestry commission amongst others on security, identification and fixings of one sort or another. But that is within my "Real day Job" the one that puts the bread on the table. I have a small separate business Heritage of which I very much enjoy, though I will likely never get remotely rich off it. However please to say I have full access to all the same state of the art marking systems, so I can customise at will. Although they all come under this umbrella of "Plastic ties" they really are as tough as granite in most cases,tamper proof and more weather/chiller resistant poses no issues at all really. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/252353152689 Cheers Steve

 

[greenhillstairs]

UPDATE; 25/08 - It must either be down to some pretty efficient "Cull Programmes" in place this season, or these Tags are finding a number of other use's!!! I've had a job at times to keep up with the demand. To be fair received some fair interest from smaller livestock holders the length and breath of the country, one or two veterinary suppliers, quite a few involved with Halal meat management. However just very recently sold 500 of these Carcass tags to a well known London Electrical supplier, the mind "Boggles" to think as to what they require them for?

 

[FGYT]

UPDATE; 25/08 - It must either be down to some pretty efficient "Cull Programmes" in place this season, or these Tags are finding a number of other use's!!! I've had a job at times to keep up with the demand. To be fair received some fair interest from smaller livestock holders the length and breath of the country, one or two veterinary suppliers, quite a few involved with Halal meat management. However just very recently sold 500 of these Carcass tags to a well known London Electrical supplier, the mind "Boggles" to think as to what they require them for?

well as they are unmarked they could be used to tag anything

BTW Did my DSC1 thos weekend just gone ... passed including Hygiene still never seen a tag nor exactly what is supposed to go on it nore what reccords you have to keep for your own legal reasons n what format

found the BDS ones which I assume are not paper and waterproof 100 off for 10.50
http://www.bds.org.uk/index.php?option=com_opencart&Itemid=134&route=product/product&path=64&product_id=144


BTW I use one of your Hot knives for cutting Webbing belt and Paracord saves a lot of mnessin about with lighters etc


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Duncan