Civilian rifle range plans

[goldypurple]

My land owner is in the process of starting up a new shooting buisiness, he already has a clay ground, but he is keen to setup a minium of 4 lane rifle range.

Does anyone know where you can find the rules and regs on civilian ranges, and range plans, i know military ranges refer to pamflet 21.

Anyone help

Thanks in advance

 

[The tramp]

My land owner is in the process of starting up a new shooting buisiness, he already has a clay ground, but he is keen to setup a minium of 4 lane rifle range.

Does anyone know where you can find the rules and regs on civilian ranges, and range plans, i know military ranges refer to pamflet 21.

Anyone help

Thanks in advance

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That's the military 'bible' on construction of ranges, from tube, gallery, etr, mmtt etc. you'll need to scroll down to the most ideal for your needs, probably the g&z which is sect14 I think. if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.
Atb
pete

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Have a chat with your FLO. Different rules apply to planning permission for civilian ranges.
MS

 

[The tramp]

Link won't work even though I just copied and pasted. Google jsp 403, it's volume 2 you'll need for small arms stuff.

 

[The tramp]

Ok
Ok says 'page not found', but click on the link anyway, it does actually work

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Some great information in the JSP, but read the conditions which state:

The guidance contained in this JSP relates solely to MoD weapon systems, practises and training procedures. It is not intended to be of general application and the MoD accepts no liability in the event that third parties suffer any loss as result of following any guidance contained herein.

The OP is wanting to build a civilian range. He will therefore require different clearances than just doing it in accordance with JSP's.
MS

 

[thistledeyke]

My land owner is in the process of starting up a new shooting buisiness, he already has a clay ground, but he is keen to setup a minium of 4 lane rifle range.

Does anyone know where you can find the rules and regs on civilian ranges, and range plans, i know military ranges refer to pamflet 21.

Anyone help

Thanks in advance

Home Office circular 031/2006 seems to suggest the NRA & NSRA have prepared guidance for the construction of civilian ranges and police it through inspections. The MOD no longer inspect/approve civilian ranges.

Hope this helps.

Pete.

 

[HME]

Having actually done this I would suggest you contact an independent range designer. As a private range you are not constrained by either the NRA, MOD or Home office (unless you wish to use the venue as a HO approved club and even then it need only meet certain criteria). It would be sensible to speak to the local constabulary and involve them from the word go. Planning issues must also be taken into account regarding change of use as well as highways and other such regulations (noise, public rights of way etc). Since the changes in regulations in regards safety certificates, the owner bears all responsibility for range safety and will carry the can should anything go wrong - he should also have deep pockets! I know of several people who have wanted to do similar and have been put off by the cost, limitations and responsibility.

HME

 

[goldypurple]

Thanks guys will refer my land owner to the NRA and his FLO for which his land is on.

if anyone has anymore tips or can help please do so

 

[jb7x57]

drop me a pm with your no i have the guys name at nra he came out told us how to do it, and plans as well, we did it as per instruction and it was passed he will tell you what you can have, totaly surprised us as to how much he would allow cost was less than £500 for everything including 3 visits

 

[The tramp]

Some great information in the JSP, but read the conditions which state:

The guidance contained in this JSP relates solely to MoD weapon systems, practises and training procedures. It is not intended to be of general application and the MoD accepts no liability in the event that third parties suffer any loss as result of following any guidance contained herein.

The OP is wanting to build a civilian range. He will therefore require different clearances than just doing it in accordance with JSP's.
MS

I never said 'this is how you must do it', all I was suggesting was to look at it for ideas. This is the mod bible on range construction, and if its worked well enough for them for many years, then if anyone was to base a civvy range on what's in the jsp403, you won't be far wrong. All my response was intended to do is give some information. What the op does with it is entirely up to him.

 

[HME]

drop me a pm with your no i have the guys name at nra he came out told us how to do it, and plans as well, we did it as per instruction and it was passed he will tell you what you can have, totaly surprised us as to how much he would allow cost was less than £500 for everything including 3 visits[/QUOTE

This sounds excellent. Passed by who?

 

[The tramp]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/corporate-publications-strategy/home-office-circulars/circulars-2006/031-2006/

 

[HME]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-...ome-office-circulars/circulars-2006/031-2006/

Not sure if this is aimed at my question. I chose not to go with the NRA but an independent military range designer recommended by the senior RCO training officer at the NRA. I haven't regretted it. The police were more than happy with what I did and as the range owner I am ultimately responsible for what happens on the range. Ultimately it is for the OP to decide which route is right or rather his landowner to decide which is right as its his neck on the block since the MOD passed the responsibility. This kind of thing is fraught with difficulties as can be proven by the lack of ranges.

 

[The tramp]

Not sure if this is aimed at my question. I chose not to go with the NRA but an independent military range designer recommended by the senior RCO training officer at the NRA. I haven't regretted it. The police were more than happy with what I did and as the range owner I am ultimately responsible for what happens on the range. Ultimately it is for the OP to decide which route is right or rather his landowner to decide which is right as its his neck on the block since the MOD passed the responsibility. This kind of thing is fraught with difficulties as can be proven by the lack of ranges.

Not at all. I just added the link to what somebody posted to save the op from needing to google it.
Funny tho' while googling 'Rifle range planning' I came across the PDF of your 'planning permission'. Just out of interest, what's the height of your earth bund ?
Pete

 

[jb7x57]

QUOTE=jb7x57;455830]drop me a pm with your no i have the guys name at nra he came out told us how to do it, and plans as well, we did it as per instruction and it was passed he will tell you what you can have, totaly surprised us as to how much he would allow cost was less than £500 for everything including 3 visits[/QUOTE

This sounds excellent. Passed by who?

the N R A

 

[sumb]

I know this thread has gone more than a little quiet in nearly 4 years, but do you still have the contact details for the range designer / inspector jb7x57?

 

[bewsher500]

there is only one to speak to IMO

Frank
https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-haxton-57539922

he wrote the book...literally.
He is the author of JSP 403
Defence ranges safety (JSP 403 volume 2) - Publications - GOV.UK

As a coincidence I met him today as he is doing something for our range

If you want NRA affiliation if Frank designed it and the Safety Certificate comes from him there are no further questions

and he is not a million miles from you

 

[sumb]

Hi bewsher500,

Thank you so much for the rapid reply. The only slight problem is the range that I am trying to help develop is only a 25 yard target range and due to its location will only be ever suitable for .22 rim fire and so only needs NSRA affiliation.

I have already done the preliminary drawings but am struggling to fully understand some of the finer details of the JSP - although I think I have grasped it I have no one to confirm it. I have tried Ali Aitkin at NSRA but he is not particularly forthcoming without a site visit - even though he has had the drawings.

What I need is someone that is willing to work with me and guide me on the next step of the drawings.

That said, I would like to try and talk with Mr. Haxton as he is so close to me. I am not on Linkedin - do you happen to know of another way of contacting him?

 

[bewsher500]

Hi bewsher500,

Thank you so much for the rapid reply. The only slight problem is the range that I am trying to help develop is only a 25 yard target range and due to its location will only be ever suitable for .22 rim fire and so only needs NSRA affiliation.

I have already done the preliminary drawings but am struggling to fully understand some of the finer details of the JSP - although I think I have grasped it I have no one to confirm it. I have tried Ali Aitkin at NSRA but he is not particularly forthcoming without a site visit - even though he has had the drawings.

What I need is someone that is willing to work with me and guide me on the next step of the drawings.

That said, I would like to try and talk with Mr. Haxton as he is so close to me. I am not on Linkedin - do you happen to know of another way of contacting him?

PM sent
size is not a limitation
he designed the London Olympic small bore range