Speed limit for twin cab?

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I. Farticus said:
Given my Hilux Dual Cab meets all the below criteria on https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...es/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles, I'm able to at car speed limits... until I have anything in the load bed that tips me over the weight restriction, or am pulling a trailer.

Dual purpose vehiclesA dual purpose vehicle is a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods and designed to weigh no more than 2,040 kg when unladen, and is either:

  • constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine is, or can be selected to be, transmitted to all wheels of the vehicle
or

  • permanently fitted with a rigid roof, at least one row of transverse passenger seats to the rear of the driver’s seat and will have side and rear windows - there must also be a minimum ratio between the size of passenger and stowage areas

Clear as mud, and it might just be easier to stick to 60 on motorways to be safe - and drag the MPG up a bit!
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Laden weight is nothing to do with it if the vehicle is under 2040kg Unladen ( no fuel no passengers etc ) then it can do car speeds even if it is then fueled up an fully laden.


Single cabs with only 2WD wouldnt qualify even if under the weight
 
I drive a 2015 ford ranger Limited. its UNLADEN weight is less than 2040kg. So has the same speed restrictions as a car.
 
Il just looking in the brochure for Mitsubishi L200 twin cab as I'm looking at getting one and there are a few lists of weight-

gross vehicle weight-2905
kerb weight-1860
max payload capacity (for tax purposes) 1045

in the notes it states that the kerb weight includes oil, coolant, fluids and full fuel tank, toolkit and spare wheel as defined by HMRC

but I was told on a test drive not to go over 60 on the dual carriageway...
might have too look further into this!
 
The defining weight is the unladen weight.
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Druid said:
but I was told on a test drive not to go over 60 on the dual carriageway...
might have too look further into this!
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Also the dealer might need to do a bit of homework. :D

Payload Capacity will refer to the magic 1 tonne figure (that's overall payload including passengers if applicable not just what can be crammed into the loadbed) to achieve the level where you can claim back the VAT element of the cost price if you are registered. :D
 
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Orion said:
Also the dealer might need to do a bit of homework. :D

Payload Capacity will refer to the magic 1 tonne figure (that's overall payload including passengers if applicable not just what can be crammed into the loadbed) to achieve the level where you can claim back the VAT element of the cost price if you are registered. :D
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not to mention the low value of taxable benefit if it's a company vehicle:D
 
A traffic policeman that lives on this estate sold his double cab , a couple of years ago, because of this ruling , and informed my employer as I use one. It was pointed out to me at the time, although it was law, not many police where aware of it.
 
I'm sorry but I am not buying this one at all. Even if police men are not aware of it, surely fixed cameras, average speed and camera vans would be. I've passed more than my fair share of the above and not had a ticket. If you fit Windows and seats in the back of a big van you are then allowed to do the same speed as cars so don't see how a pick up with four doors and back seats wouldn't be.
 
The policeman in question , the last time we spoke, is in charge of the traffic section that covers the A9, A couple of TV programmes last year showed him going about his job. I did not want this being pointed out to my employer as it affects the use of my estate vehicle , I am only adding what I had heard over the ruling, mentioned in this post. My own personal feelings were. this is the law , but happily not being enforced.
 
I am not disputing what he said but he would not be the first police officer to dish out incorrect information. Each to their own though. I'll be continuing as I have been.
 
It has not slowed me down either. Lol, one good thing came of it, he sold me the spotlight off the roof of his pick=up at the time.
 
Are the vehicles registered as private vehicles or commercial as this is where the problem lies.

I work for Network Rail and one of or guys was done in three sections of the A9 for doing 64mph when he should have been doing 50mph in Hi-Lux double cab because it's registered as a commercial!

We had a vehicle awareness session briefing us on what speeds we should be doing.

What I want to know is how are the cameras set up?
Do they register the licence plate and then check the speed?
Or is it a case that they just pick up a vehicle over the limit and then the limit for the vehicle is verified?
 
I speak only whereof I know, and that aint much.

Part of the confusion arises because the car/van definition used by HMRC for Income Tax and NI BIK purposes is different to the Construction and Use definition used for speed limit purposes. Let's not even go to the reclaiming VAT rules!

One of our guys was caught by a speed camera and done for exceeding 70mph in a Mitsubishi L200 on a stretch of dual c/way A90 (at Inchture, from memory), but then another guy was done at the same place by the same camera for exceeding 60mph in a Transit Connect model which was slightly over the weight threshold, so the system obviously has some sort of look-up capability. How / if it copes with the lower limit applying to vehicles towing a trailer, I know not.

Given the price of fuel and the fact that the sort of double cab pick ups we mostly use are as aerodynamic as a chipped brick it makes sense to keep the speed down a bit anyway. (Ducks for cover)
 
Coddy said:
The worst things are the likes of Caddy's etc, with are 50 in a 60 and 60 in a 70.
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I take it you mean Volkswagen caddy ?
Funny thing is I drive a Peugeot Bippa and have never been told my speed is restricted other than by national speed limits.
I have lost count of the number of police cars I have overtaken while doing 70 on dual carriageway or motorway, never a problem.

Neil. :)
 
Hornet 6 said:
I take it you mean Volkswagen caddy ?

I have lost count of the number of police cars I have overtaken while doing 70 on dual carriageway or motorway, never a problem.

Neil. :)
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They don't really care if you are keeping with flow of traffic . until you really do something wrong and they will throw the book at you.
 
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