BDS stalkers survival course Saturday 4 March at Belvoir

[polranny]

I booked a place on this course but am unable to go. Anyone interested? Cost £89, will take £50. Please PM me.

Here's the course flier:

The BDS Stalkers Survival Course

Thanks

 

[smokey]

BDS has totally lost its way just another publicity & money grab the BDS used to be regarded as a ethical organisation it is just another money grabbing charity if you must learn about survival as a deer stalker look to the New Zealand Deer Stalkers society and there mountain code

 

[JockStalk]

BDS has totally lost its way just another publicity & money grab the BDS used to be regarded as a ethical organisation it is just another money grabbing charity if you must learn about survival as a deer stalker look to the New Zealand Deer Stalkers society and there mountain code

I'm sure you have good reason for your views on BDS.
My experience of local BDS branch is only positive in terms of developing stalkers skills, investing in new entrants, communication/ networking and providing knowledge.
Might be a bit of a drive up, but you'd be welcome to see for yourself!

 

[EMcC]

BDS are certainly branching out from it's original roots.
Next they will be offering Winter Warfare courses to tackle any incursions by rabid poachers or Radio Operators courses for use in isolated places.

 

[JockStalk]

To be honest, I've been to England - a survival course would be helpful.

 

[TOMMO.B]

To be honest, I've been to England - a survival course would be helpful.

I can see how this course would be handy. But its stuff we were doing as kids and i recon that most on here would have been doing the same. Its not survival it was just life to us. Good luck to all that attend. ATB Tommy

 

[bowji john]

Survival and bushcraft instruction is what I do for a living

Stalkers do not need 'survival courses'

They need to have some water proofs, the ability to shoot straight and a few pennies for a couple of jars after the shoot, in the evening, down the local

 

[polranny]

An interesting set of comments about BDS.

I withdraw the offer of the course.

Thank you

 

[EMcC]

It's Boy Scout stuff for grown ups wanting to relive their youth, but at a scary price.

 

[bowji john]

It's Boy Scout stuff for grown ups wanting to relive their youth, but at a scary price.

Only on the most trivial level is it 'boy scout' stuff

But is is not needed for stalkers

 

[Yorric]

Hmmm It sounds like some folks have never done a proper costing exercise & others have never stalked alone in the wilder parts of the UK.

Plus there is an oxymoron there somewhere - A "professional trainer" saying that training is not necessarry!

Ian

 

[artschool]

i think that the OP made a good offer.

it is sad to think that because of some of the comments he has now withdrawn the offer.

woodlore charges £300 for a introduction to bushcraft course.

 

[bowji john]

Plus there is an oxymoron there somewhere - A "professional trainer" saying that training is not necessarry!

Mmmm - good point

Perhaps in my case it was a bit of ''mouth / foot / put in''

 

[8x57]

To be honest, I've been to England - a survival course would be helpful.[/QUOTE

I would have though an escape an evasion course would have been more appropriate.

 

[Moray Outfitting]

A shame the OP didn't mark it as a 'For Sale' thread as the rules then would have been clear. Could I respectfully suggest that the post should have been treated that way in any event?

Could be worse - imagine the blood spilt if it had been a BASC offer!

I have an opinion about the course offer, about perceeptions of 'Bushcraft' and not least what it actually is and the BDS on various points. I'm just not sufficiently revved up enough to comment here ( as yet; may change - you've been warned! ) - but if I did, it would not be on another member's thread such as this, but on a separate discussion thread.

Not a great reflection on the good people of SD as a whole; free speech seems to cause a lot of silencing.

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Survival and bushcraft instruction is what I do for a living

Stalkers do not need 'survival courses'

They need to have some water proofs, the ability to shoot straight and a few pennies for a couple of jars after the shoot, in the evening, down the local

That's all well and good on a normal day out where nothing goes wrong. But when it does go wrong, it can go badly wrong very quickly! We all rely too much on gadgets and vehicles nearby at times? Disorientation, bad weather, or injury can happen to the best of us and when you are suddenly out in bad weather, lost and with no mobile signal and you bust your ankle or similar, you are suddenly in a world of poo! Of course you are not immediately going to built a shelter, snare some rabbits with your boot laces, cook them on a fire you started with some flint and eat them with a wooden spoon carved out of a tree! That's more bushcraft? But knowing some basic survival skills such as navigation without any aids, distress signalling, or just how to keep warm are surely good things to learn? Survival training can take many forms. I've not seen the BDS course syllabus, but I can see how training could be tailored towards a lone stalker. Just learning about good kit to carry to suit the environment and maybe save your life such as a Firefly strobe light, Personal Locator Beacon, Space Blanket style sleeping bag http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emergency...757711?hash=item1eb66f2b0f:g:hN4AAOSweXhXmLNu
Small things that take up very little space than could save your life.
If there's a market for such training, then why not provide it?
MS

 

[Kjf]

A shame the OP didn't mark it as a 'For Sale' thread as the rules then would have been clear. Could I respectfully suggest that the post should have been treated that way in any event?

Could be worse - imagine the blood spilt if it had been a BASC offer!

I have an opinion about the course offer, about perceeptions of 'Bushcraft' and not least what it actually is and the BDS on various points. I'm just not sufficiently revved up enough to comment here ( as yet; may change - you've been warned! ) - but if I did, it would not be on another member's thread such as this, but on a separate discussion thread.

Not a great reflection on the good people of SD as a whole; free speech seems to cause a lot of silencing.

This^^^^^^^^^^^

i agree the op shouldn't feel he needs to take down the offer, he was just offering a damn good deal to someone who might be interested,

if your not interested ,

dont bloody comment, making the op feel like hes done something wrong,

IS WRONG!!!!

kjf

 

[EMcC]

From reading his first post I read it as he was joining a course, not offering one.
As for being a single stalker operating in out of the way places, preparation for bad weather, no phone signal, emergency action in case of accident and non return by a given time, etc etc I tend to ask what precautions a level 2 candidate has taken regarding this so would imagine (maybe wrongly) that all stalkers will have counted this in before venturing out into such terrain.

 

[Kjf]

From reading his first post I read it as he was joining a course, not offering one.
As for being a single stalker operating in out of the way places, preparation for bad weather, no phone signal, emergency action in case of accident and non return by a given time, etc etc I tend to ask what precautions a level 2 candidate has taken regarding this so would imagine (maybe wrongly) that all stalkers will have counted this in before venturing out into such terrain.

True and I agree , but to those who haven't been brought up with the basics ( to us they are the basics) it might be worth while,

hell i I learnt how to build fire and have the six P's at 6 - 8 years old ,a lot longer before I started stalking.But I had been out and about at 6 years old with my old man , wandering around farms,woods etc, making fires and shelter, knife and axe handling etc etc etc catapults , air rifles, ferrets, shotguns , dogs,

you get the drift lol

some don't have that knowledge /experience

kjf

 

[Monkey Spanker]

From reading his first post I read it as he was joining a course, not offering one.
As for being a single stalker operating in out of the way places, preparation for bad weather, no phone signal, emergency action in case of accident and non return by a given time, etc etc I tend to ask what precautions a level 2 candidate has taken regarding this so would imagine (maybe wrongly) that all stalkers will have counted this in before venturing out into such terrain.

Consider your background though and how you learnt about the countryside and its inherent dangers. Also consider that you have had survival training as part of your previous career.
I've been fortunate enough to have had survival training and existence in temperate, desert, arctic and jungle conditions, and yet an occurrence a couple of years ago made me really consider my actions. I arrived at a local wood and realised I'd forgotten my mobile phone. I hadn't told anyone where I was going as it was local and very public. Then I started to think how I needed to be extra careful when climbing into a high seat and really began to consider my safety. It made me think how reliant I'd become on this small gadget in my pocket almost to the point of reckless behaviour?
Some folks get into stalking quite late in life and may have grown up in a city environment. What we might consider basic survival knowledge may well appear very advanced to them. How you gain that knowledge is pretty much irrelevant, but you do need it to operate safely. If the only way you can gain it is on a recognised course, then that course is surely viable?
MS