Independence 2.
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She has the power to trigger nothing.
TOMMO.B
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Ye think so. look how much is in turmoil now with her actions.
It's a win win for England. She fails and she's gone she wins and we save 15bln a year Scotland Costs the UK.
Sadly it will become apparent that the Snp can't run an economy and the state since they took over is critical. Especially when London finally says enough is enough and scraps the Barnet formula.
TOMMO.B
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The money that Scotland costs the U.K. Thats rich coming from London Over spill.
What does England make again? Apart from folk to go on Jeremy Kyle to Keep the unemployed amused.
You realise that the Midlands is manufacturing center of the UK.The money that Scotland costs the U.K. Thats rich coming from London Over spill.
But Scotland is an economic basket case which spends significantly beyond its means of tax revenue. Also Scotland will never get eu membership back because Spain will always veto it due to catalonia independence risk
TOMMO.B
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Yes Mate in the 1800s Oh and yous make MGs and Rovers No sorry that went to China. I Thought the Midlands was the place London refugees went to when there houses went to the Syrian refugees.You realise that the Midlands is manufacturing center of the UK.
But Scotland is an economic basket case which spends significantly beyond its means of tax revenue. Also Scotland will never get eu membership back because Spain will always veto it due to catalonia independence risk
But on a serous note. It is a scary time for us all.
Scotland can't pay it's way. There's not enough taxpayers to run the place, compared with all the benefit claimants. North Sea Oil is about done and the Barnet Formula payments are the only thing that keeps Scotland going. If there is a split, then Sturgeon, it appears, wants to keep the rest of the UK paying that money to them. Don't think you'll keep your free prescriptions, eye tests and university places. The Scottish NHS will fall into a worse state than it is in the UK now. For those poor souls who do pay tax, expect significant increases to happen to try and balance the books. Expect even more taxes on things that generate any money. Like field sports for example.
As for staying in the EU, well who knows? Not Sturgeon, that's for sure. I really can't see anywhere near enough voters changing their minds to make it happen. Even the SNP supporters in the cities won't want to divorce their nearest neighbours for a relationship with those foreigners who don't even speak the language. The biggest trading partner with Scotland is England.
Is Sturgeon, by asking for another vote, signing her own death warrant?
As for staying in the EU, well who knows? Not Sturgeon, that's for sure. I really can't see anywhere near enough voters changing their minds to make it happen. Even the SNP supporters in the cities won't want to divorce their nearest neighbours for a relationship with those foreigners who don't even speak the language. The biggest trading partner with Scotland is England.
Is Sturgeon, by asking for another vote, signing her own death warrant?
TOMMO.B
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There is already changes in field sports. nowt to do with Independence But the land reform Act. Heavy taxes to Sporting Estates and shooting farms.
Shooting Groups are being priced out of game.
So no shooting for us means no shooting for our English or foreign Guests. Or if there is it will be at some cost.
As for the oil being done. Ha Ha its Not we are just keeping it away from Londons greedy hands, as it will be used to start a war some where.
Where in you can remind the locals about 1966 and Three Lyons and all that.
Shooting Groups are being priced out of game.
So no shooting for us means no shooting for our English or foreign Guests. Or if there is it will be at some cost.
As for the oil being done. Ha Ha its Not we are just keeping it away from Londons greedy hands, as it will be used to start a war some where.
Where in you can remind the locals about 1966 and Three Lyons
and all that.
Have I got this right?
The SNP are asking today for independence from the UK because the UK is asking for independence from the EU.
Would they be better off trading with the EU rather than with the rest of the UK 'single market' after they go?
Answers please.
The SNP are asking today for independence from the UK because the UK is asking for independence from the EU.
Would they be better off trading with the EU rather than with the rest of the UK 'single market' after they go?
Answers please.
Sealgair nam fiadh
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I dont see the point of leaving the UK and staying in Europe, leave them both.
As for the cash, we can rent out Faslane to the Chinese or Russians, im sure they would pay billions for a sub base in the Atlantic !
As for the cash, we can rent out Faslane to the Chinese or Russians, im sure they would pay billions for a sub base in the Atlantic !
Scotland is not a member of the eu. The UK is. It's already been clarified that Scotland would have to apply and join euro only to be vetoed by Spain. It is unworkable.
It belongs to the UK mod so after divorce would remain property of the UK.I dont see the point of leaving the UK and staying in Europe, leave them both.
As for the cash, we can rent out Faslane to the Chinese or Russians, im sure they would pay billions for a sub base in the Atlantic !
Whilst brexit is legitimate Scottish independence is unworkable. Imagine having your own Snp dictatorship with no opposition. Devolution was a disaster for both sides
They can always propose indi 3 vote after they lose this one too.. Keep trying lol
Exactly. Surely this means that as soon as Article 50 is triggered, Scotland is irreversibly on its way out of the EU anyway. There's no point having another referendum about something they can't choose in 18months. Also seems rather odd when the SNP's policy at the first referendum involved leaving the EU.
Woodsmoke
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I was a passionate advocate for Scottish Independence prior to September 2015. However, the decision to remain under Westminster rule as a result led to a groundswell of misplaced nationalism (which to me, and many of my countrymen, was never what the Referendum was about in the first place) was a huge warning of what was to come. Namely we now have single-party governance, with that party ignoring the democratic process both within and without its own borders, and passing legislation to suit its own agendas. Very worrying.
Scottish Independence under SNP rule will destroy Scotland, in my view. If a second Referendum is held, I for one will not be voting for Independence. Westminster rule is not what I want for my country but it's far preferable to the alternative, which would be to surrender ourselves completely to what is, effectively, a Marxist regime.
Scottish Independence under SNP rule will destroy Scotland, in my view. If a second Referendum is held, I for one will not be voting for Independence. Westminster rule is not what I want for my country but it's far preferable to the alternative, which would be to surrender ourselves completely to what is, effectively, a Marxist regime.
howa243
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So Scotland voted to stay in the EU with a large majority and because we are leaving Wee Jimmy wants another INDY.
If she does not want to stand by the UK decision but wants to be treated separately, please can we have a vote on getting rid of Scotland down here in Englandshire in return.
If she does not want to stand by the UK decision but wants to be treated separately, please can we have a vote on getting rid of Scotland down here in Englandshire in return.
I. Farticus
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Given that Scotland leaving The UK will affect what remains, I think that the rest of the UK is perfectly entitled to vote on OUR future...
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