Manchester Bombing, Not Good...................

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Human beings aren't a very nice species. Constantly thinking up new and horrible methods for killing one another. Us Brits don't exactly have a squeaky clean track record over the centuries when it comes to killing people in foreign countries, but that was then - easily forgotten - and this is now.
As with any species, when the habitat gets overcrowded the aggressive behaviour gets worse, and affects a wider range of victims. We're "enjoying" the declining years of the human race.
 
Perhaps because take-aways are the only muslim-run businesses that I know of, and the looks that you get when you walk in, appears to be one of guilt.

Guilt about what? Were you looking for a lost cat?

For the sake of balance, my local curry house is staffed by exceptionally polite, well-spoken and charming staff who seem considerably less guilty/ threatening and far more law abiding than much of the surrounding English population.
You're perfectly entitled to take your custom wherever you like, but removing opportunities for respectable, legitimate ways of making a good and happy living hardly seems to be helpful to me.
 
Terrible carry on. Unfortunate kids having a bit of fun and that happens, disgusting.
 
my local curry house is staffed by exceptionally polite, well-spoken and charming staff who seem considerably less guilty/ threatening and far more law abiding than much of the surrounding English population.
Perhaps we down here lead very sheltered/ignorant lives, but I associate curry with people from India ie Hindu or Christian.
 
Perhaps because take-aways are the only muslim-run businesses that I know of, and the looks that you get when you walk in, appears to be one of guilt.
Prolly wondering if you detected the bombay oyster they slipped into your meal last time you were there...
 
This attack was carried out by a wicked person who happened to be a certain sex, religion and ethnicity.

Some of the doctors, nurses, ambulance paramedics, rescue services and police who helped and are helping the victims are the same sex, religion and ethnicity as the attacker.

There are are also the taxi drivers who were taking people home for free last night.

They are not the same. To say that they are is like saying I am like Micheal Ryan, white, male and a section 1 holder.
 
Human beings aren't a very nice species. Constantly thinking up new and horrible methods for killing one another. Us Brits don't exactly have a squeaky clean track record over the centuries when it comes to killing people in foreign countries, but that was then - easily forgotten - and this is now.
As with any species, when the habitat gets overcrowded the aggressive behaviour gets worse, and affects a wider range of victims. We're "enjoying" the declining years of the human race.


Vss has hit nail squarely on head

I agree you can't target all muslims ,, we are in a ,sea of our own making , interfering In Other countries etc
How many did we kill in the crusades trying to convert ?

Unfortunately most attacks seem to be in the name of Islam or whatever .

What do we do ?
What can we do ?
As said known to police is one phrase but if these individuals hardline sympathising with radical Islam are on a watchlist ....then I'm sorry .....it's about time we rounded em up and got rid of them. If
their views do not align with the other multi cultures of this country & threaten it then they are a risk .
But most will be British born ...where do you put them?

If our society & values offend them then go live where your own will be the accepted norm ?
But no


I don't have the answers , and no matter what it will upset a big section of people but it's about time we did something proactive instead of just wringing our hands after the fact and saying what a tragedy .

We need to get tough .


Paul
 
This attack was carried out by a wicked person who happened to be a certain sex, religion and ethnicity.

Some of the doctors, nurses, ambulance paramedics, rescue services and police who helped and are helping the victims are the same sex, religion and ethnicity as the attacker.

There are are also the taxi drivers who were taking people home for free last night.

They are not the same. To say that they are is like saying I am like Micheal Ryan, white, male and a section 1 holder.

Good God !!! Someone who has sense
Well said Irish Bob that is probably the best post in this thread
Kindest regards
Jimmy
 
Of course he did? Muslims arn't all terrorists any more than all Irish Catholics were murderors for the IRA?

If only the radacalised terrorists would wear name badges, id have them shot on sight.

Sadly its not as easy as that.


Attacking all muslims innocent and guilty alike, is a great way to radacalise 10000s of current inocents who will feel they are victomised for simply having a diferent faith to you. Expect the suicide bombings to increase as a result of such actions.

I don't know the answers to thease difficult questions but I do know blaming all Muslims for the acts of a handful of radicilised terrorists is both stupid and inefficive.

My personal anger is aimed squarely at the individual Saudies who finance and support most of these groups and the arse licking antics of May and Trump who choose to be oblivious to the commonly held information for the sake of the mighty oil dolla / pound.

That makes me sick

Target the money, target the radical Imams

Leave religion out of it as we all know from history that religion is just the tool for individual power play.


You're right. It isn't as simple as that. Whereas the IRA were Catholics, the distinction is that they were NOT and NEVER DID commit atrocities in the name of Catholicism, but on historical grounds routed in the way that the Irish were badly historically treated by the English and by sectarian power struggles with Loyalists. It had and has nothing whatsoever to do with religion and everything to do with a hate culture which spanned generations. Religion is and always was an excuse used by both sides; there's nothing within their belief structures that even remotely hints at discrimination and hatred of others. However history judges the English, the IRA cannot still uphold old hatreds and call it a legitimate war many, many generations on. They are terrorists plain and simple and are no Catholics since by definition they ex-communicate themselves by their actions. The same is not true of these muslim extremists. To them, they are not acting in an extreme manner, but legitimising their actions by their interpretation of their faith. It's massively different from what happened in N Ireland and bears no comparison.

Islamic terrorists carry out these atrocities in the name of Islam, more specifically on justification based on certain factions' interpretations of Islamic faith. They are not "simply" just "evil individuals"...their actions are as a direct consequence of what they believe, not some mental health issue (although you have to question the sanity of any person, no-matter what they believe, to carry out such evil deeds).Whilst it's true that there are many peace loving muslims in the UK, by and large a majority of Muslims no doubt, it is questionable to suggest that Islam is a peaceful religion. It depends upon what interpretation is used and only the naive multiculturists wash their hands of the truth and deny the evidence presented time and time again world wide. There are some branches of Islam which are treated as animals and killed in dreadful ways by other factions. Just look what Isis have done to their "own"! It's too late for the UK to control what happens now. Blair pushed the Multicultural ticket hard, and he has to take some responsibility for not just "unjust" wars in Iraq, but also for there results of his multiculturism agendas. We share little to nothing in common with Islamic culture and whilst the UK has become ever more secularised from it's Christian heritage, Islam has been supported, grown and is flourishing in most parts of the UK. Some towns are known hotbeds (Luton or Bedford anyone?) with known extremists present today, some of whom have travelled back from places like Syria and are known to the security services. Why and how they were allowed back in goodness only knows.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks. We're reaping what we have encouraged and sown. To say that we should not allow our communities to be divided just seems naive nonsense, a total denial that this great evil is present in the UK and these people will continue to take innocent lives. us just bending over further and taking more of this evil whilst singing cum by yah with open arms is laughable and won't change a single thing. We don't radicalise Muslims....they are radicalised by factions of their own Islamic faith! The security services need to take far stronger and more co-ordinated action than they so far have, root out the extremist believers and deport their evil ar%es.

RIP to all killed in last nights atrocities. God rest them. Our wishes and prayers have to be with the survivors, including the injured, their relatives, friends and those who witnessed such horror.
 
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You're right. It isn't as simple as that. Whereas the IRA were Catholics, the distinction is that they were NOT and NEVER DID commit atrocities in the name of Catholicism, but on historical grounds routed in the way that the Irish were badly historically treated by the English and by sectarian power struggles with Loyalists. It had and has nothing whatsoever to do with religion and everything to do with a hate culture which spanned generations. Religion is and always was an excuse used by both sides; there's nothing within their belief structures that even remotely hints at discrimination and hatred of others. However history judges the English, the IRA cannot still uphold old hatreds and call it a legitimate war many, many generations on. They are terrorists plain and simple and are no Catholics since by definition they ex-communicate themselves by their actions. The same is not true of these muslim extremists. To them, they are not acting in an extreme manner, but legitimising their actions by their interpretation of their faith. It's massively different from what happened in N Ireland and bears no comparison.

Islamic terrorists carry out these atrocities in the name of Islam, more specifically on justification based on certain factions' interpretations of Islamic faith. They are not "simply" just "evil individuals"...their actions are as a direct consequence of what they believe, not some mental health issue (although you have to question the sanity of any person, no-matter what they believe, to carry out such evil deeds).Whilst it's true that there are many peace loving muslims in the UK, by and large a majority of Muslims no doubt, it is questionable to suggest that Islam is a peaceful religion. It depends upon what interpretation is used and only the naive multiculturists wash their hands of the truth and deny the evidence presented time and time again world wide. There are some branches of Islam which are treated as animals and killed in dreadful ways by other factions. Just look what Isis have done to their "own"! It's too late for the UK to control what happens now. Blair pushed the Multicultural ticket hard, and he has to take some responsibility for not just "unjust" wars in Iraq, but also for there results of his multiculturism agendas. We share little to nothing in common with Islamic culture and whilst the UK has become ever more secularised from it's Christian heritage, Islam has been supported, grown and is flourishing in most parts of the UK. Some towns are known hotbeds (Luton or Bedford anyone?) with known extremists present today, some of whom have travelled back from places like Syria and are known to the security services. Why and how they were allowed back in goodness only knows.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks. We're reaping what we have encouraged and sown. To say that we should not allow our communities to be divided just seems naive nonsense, a total denial that this great evil is present in the UK and these people will continue to take innocent lives. us just bending over further and taking more of this evil whilst singing cum by yah with open arms is laughable and won't change a single thing. We don't radicalise Muslims....they are radicalised by factions of their own Islamic faith! The security services need to take far stronger and more co-ordinated action than they so far have, root out the extremist believers and deport their evil ar%es.

RIP to all killed in last nights atrocities. God rest them. Our wishes and prayers have to be with the survivors, including the injured, their relatives, friends and those who witnessed such horror.

thank you for posting the bit about N.ireland.

it is not comparable.
 
This is a result of Tony Blair social experiment, we now know the outcome of the experiment.
The BBC and the whole media fail yet again to report fairly because they don't want to upset anyone
Our children are all taught at skoool how to be politically correct, we have laws supporting it
Between the politicians and the media they have ruined our country
Tony Blair that's some piece of ****, who when he started a war he didn't have the good grace to put his children in the army to fight
 
My Heart and prayers go out to those families and people affected by this atrocity.
There are many opinions on here both good and bad but none of them will ever change a thing in relation to Islamic extremism.
Those who have served with Isis and returned should in my opinion have been summarily executed, their assets frozen and their whole families deported (because no one can convince me the relations know nothing).
We have welcomed people from abroad into this country since the fifties and what have we got in return from the people of Islam, home grown terrorists. Any government we have or are likely to have will continually gloss over it, but we should not. We further should not let communities build up in areas which can virtually become "No go" and hotbeds for extremism. Any radical Imams preaching sedition should be got rid of immediately and all believers should be made to sear an oath of allegiance on the Quoran to this country.I know many Muslim people who would be only too willing to do this but are a little scared to do so in their community for fear of reprisals.
You may think I am anti Muslim but I am not at all and there are different views held about how to interpret the Quoran by a good few that I know. Just as there are with the Christian Bible.
 
This is a result of Tony Blair social experiment, we now know the outcome of the experiment.
The BBC and the whole media fail yet again to report fairly because they don't want to upset anyone
Our children are all taught at skoool how to be politically correct, we have laws supporting it
Between the politicians and the media they have ruined our country
Tony Blair that's some piece of ****, who when he started a war he didn't have the good grace to put his children in the army to fight

The whole politically correct lets not upset anyones feelings is being pushed everywhere, well the usa and europe. I think the vast majority of people are sick of it. To be honest its just a way of gagging dissent. In a nutshell "Agree with me and my looney leftie idea's or i'll brand you a racist ".
 
The whole politically correct lets not upset anyones feelings is being pushed everywhere, well the usa and europe. I think the vast majority of people are sick of it. To be honest its just a way of gagging dissent. In a nutshell "Agree with me and my looney leftie idea's or i'll brand you a racist ".
+1
Political Correctness, Tolerance, Forgiveness etc., are all seen as weaknesses to be exploited, by all who want to dominate us.
 
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