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yep
i checked mine out before I got it for the engines with a Nissan mechanic and he told me the game ne to get your right on the earlier models with a power/ torque problem and it's the good engine one
fantastic motor
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yep
i checked mine out before I got it for the engines with a Nissan mechanic and he told me the game ne to get your right on the earlier models with a power/ torque problem and it's the good engine one
fantastic motor
tackb
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first discovery , two gearboxes and an engine never managed to stop it leaking........
second discovery , two gearboxes and an engine , ten roadside recoverys , never made it between services without needing warranty work..........
first landcruiser amazon , 178,000 miles trouble free motoring (4.2 diesel auto)
second landcruiser amazon , 285000 miles of trouble free motoring (gas converted 4.7V8 auto)
rangerover Westminster 12 plate , stupid stupid stupid ! why did I ever risk land rover again ! two roadside recoverys , shagged turbos blah blah blah
current Landcruiser V8 , trouble free and not expecting any trouble , ever !
if landrover offered the warranty Toyota do then they would either build them properly or go out of business in short order.
second discovery , two gearboxes and an engine , ten roadside recoverys , never made it between services without needing warranty work..........
first landcruiser amazon , 178,000 miles trouble free motoring (4.2 diesel auto)
second landcruiser amazon , 285000 miles of trouble free motoring (gas converted 4.7V8 auto)
rangerover Westminster 12 plate , stupid stupid stupid ! why did I ever risk land rover again ! two roadside recoverys , shagged turbos blah blah blah
current Landcruiser V8 , trouble free and not expecting any trouble , ever !
if landrover offered the warranty Toyota do then they would either build them properly or go out of business in short order.
The bottom line is that here is no decent 4x4 product on the market that fits the UK off road / farm commercial needs. They either have the price and turning circle of a VLCC or they are glorified shopping trolleys.
I long for a 6 cylinder diesel short wheel based 4x4 with short approach and departure angles that are reliable and have low end grunt and not loaded with a load of 21 century tinsel in terms of electrical crap.
I do not need a computer to teach me to drive a car off road; nor do I need one to tell me that I need low ratio third gear to pull away on an incline in soft mud.
I have funny things on the end of my arms to wind windows up and down
If there is one out there then I'd be interested
I long for a 6 cylinder diesel short wheel based 4x4 with short approach and departure angles that are reliable and have low end grunt and not loaded with a load of 21 century tinsel in terms of electrical crap.
I do not need a computer to teach me to drive a car off road; nor do I need one to tell me that I need low ratio third gear to pull away on an incline in soft mud.
I have funny things on the end of my arms to wind windows up and down
If there is one out there then I'd be interested
Orion
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So thoughts are
1) Change the Audi a newer Discover 3 or 4 and add some cash to the equation - gives towing, long distance comfort but thirsty and expensive in terms of Road Tax, Parking charges (we are parking permits etc). Plus has big towing capacity. And loads of space for going hunting / camping etc.
Keep the Kangoo and replace i a couple of years with Fiat 500 or similar as runabout around town, or when one of us is driving long distance.
2) Keep the Audi and spend £5000 to £6000 on a 15 year old 4.2litre Toyota Landcruiser - huge amounts of space, loads of towing capacity and keep it as the play car for pulling boats, going camping etc, but needs to reliable enough to drive to North of Scotland. Yes a bit thirsty but..
Alternative would be a double cab pickup, but save for the Nissan don't have a huge amount of leg room in the back for tall people.
How about a s/h VW Touareg instead of the Audi for more legroom and your replacement of the Kangoo in due course with a small runabout?
My youngest daughter has just picked up a low mileage high spec 3.0 V6 TDi Touareg with FSH, that has led a very cossetted life, for what I thought was a pittance. Having driven the thing I can see that with decent 50/50 tyres it could probably do everything I would want, and with the addition of a towbar mounted carrybox, be a half-decent stalking vehicle (although I have a trailer for the bigger stuff).
I do SO like these, and their bigger brothers.The Pinzgauer all-terrain light utility vehicle. - Image - Army Technology
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The G wagon is a fine car
And thanks for reminding me sh1kar
But sadly they are not the ride of your average penniless Cornish farmer
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And thanks for reminding me sh1kar
But sadly they are not the ride of your average penniless Cornish farmer
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tackb
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The G wagon is a fine car
And thanks for reminding me sh1kar
But sadly they are not the ride of your average penniless Cornish farmer
lada niva but no 6 cylinders
jeep wrangler , 4l straight six petrol
I. Farticus
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Here's the definitive answer...
The Jeep Trackhawk:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/grand-cherokee-sw-2016/first-drive
A mate wanted to replace his chipped and bored 500bhp, 7ltr SRT with one, but sadly they're not coming to the UK as they failed the emissions regs. Shame, as with 707bhp, the damn thing wheelies!!!
The Jeep Trackhawk:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/grand-cherokee-sw-2016/first-drive
A mate wanted to replace his chipped and bored 500bhp, 7ltr SRT with one, but sadly they're not coming to the UK as they failed the emissions regs. Shame, as with 707bhp, the damn thing wheelies!!!
Having been forced to longs trips in G-Wagons, on horrible, horrible African roads, due to a complete lack of any other vehicles, I couldn't agree more strongly with the above statement. If you suspect you might be in this position, pre-pack a kidney belt and a mouthguard.
Just buy the newest Discovery you can, or a Range Rover.
The Land Rover haters will tell you they're not reliable, and come up with a story about a mates mate who had one that was never out of the garage. I'm allowed to buy what I want for work and I have a 2016 Disco, you simply cannot beat it for the compromise between off road ability and long range comfort. I average 40,000 miles a year and we keep them for four years. I've had Land Rover Discovery for the last twenty years at work.
Rather more telling is that last year Land Rover dropped the lowest spec Discovery and our salesmen had to go on to VW Touareg because they were significantly cheaper than the Discovery. If you ask them they'll tell you the VW is more like a car and there's nothing wrong with a Touareg other then they're rubbish off road, haven't got enough space in the back and aren't even comparable to a Disco when towing. We have eight salesmen in Touaregs, one of them only had his for two months before he requested taking over another salesmans who lefts three year old Disco. After asking only one of them would have another Touareg if offered a Discovery as an alternative.
The Land Rover haters will tell you they're not reliable, and come up with a story about a mates mate who had one that was never out of the garage. I'm allowed to buy what I want for work and I have a 2016 Disco, you simply cannot beat it for the compromise between off road ability and long range comfort. I average 40,000 miles a year and we keep them for four years. I've had Land Rover Discovery for the last twenty years at work.
Rather more telling is that last year Land Rover dropped the lowest spec Discovery and our salesmen had to go on to VW Touareg because they were significantly cheaper than the Discovery. If you ask them they'll tell you the VW is more like a car and there's nothing wrong with a Touareg other then they're rubbish off road, haven't got enough space in the back and aren't even comparable to a Disco when towing. We have eight salesmen in Touaregs, one of them only had his for two months before he requested taking over another salesmans who lefts three year old Disco. After asking only one of them would have another Touareg if offered a Discovery as an alternative.
tackb
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not a mates mate , actually me with my own money not a companys , and my findings with landrover reliability agree with all reliability surveys !
landrover are not at the bottom of reliability surveys because their cars are built too well just as Toyota isn't near the top because they build rubbish cars!
I won't slag of dicoverys/range rovers as a bad drive or uncomfortable or lacking in toys or for being thirsty , when they work they are lovely , a fine drive and fast and economical (my 4.4V8 diesel was surprisingly economical for such a large fast car) however to say they are reliable is just wrong and goes against all the evidence if you do a simple google of landrover reliability.
I would love to buy landrover but my actual personal experience is they are incredibly unreliable , way too much so for a modern vehicle to be honest so the sad fact is I've gone back to Toyota who may not be as sexy but they are reliable as proven by my own personal experience.
note I haven't even started on the shocking service I received from my LR dealer and LR Solihull when I escalated my issues.
Llwynog, and other fans of the Land Rover brand
There’s a reason Land Rover test their vehicles in remote deserts, swamps, mountains… and make a big show of doing so. It’s because they want blokes like me to buy their vehicles.
But blokes like me buy Toyotas and sometimes Nissans, more likely lease several of them at once, because blokes like me spend a lot of time in these remote places and guess what? Land Rovers are regarded as a curse for any project, large or small.
Now I’m sure that they’re lots of fun on your sensible bitumen roads and in the 4x4 playground in Wiltshire or the Cairngorms, where you’re never more than a phone call away from a lamb biryani at the end of your Saturday arvo… but ask anyone in international remote area logistics if they will use Land Rover for their project in Africa, Central Asia, Arctic Circle, outback Aus… we’ll see what kind of an answer you get.
It really pains me as a Brit – albeit a long time gone one – that Land Rover is such a dog of a brand. What an absolute shambles of a history – if Defenders turn up, you don’t know which motor, wiring loom, ECU or gearbox they’ve got because they keep bloody changing. If Discoverys turn up, everyone heads to the pub and refuses to go anywhere. Early Discos – series 1s and 2s were the worst, obviously, but even more recent 3s and 4s have been massively problematic. In Africa there was even a time in the 1990s when Defenders pitched up with BMW 6 cyl petrol motors!
The marketing spin and glossy brochures and Jeremy Clarkson and whoever else has promoted these vehicles these past few years, it is all absolute bollox. If you want a reliable 4WD, buy anything Japanese. Do not, ever, buy a Land Rover. Tragic, painful, but true. Trust me, I’ve been mentally scarred by the bloody things.
There’s a reason Land Rover test their vehicles in remote deserts, swamps, mountains… and make a big show of doing so. It’s because they want blokes like me to buy their vehicles.
But blokes like me buy Toyotas and sometimes Nissans, more likely lease several of them at once, because blokes like me spend a lot of time in these remote places and guess what? Land Rovers are regarded as a curse for any project, large or small.
Now I’m sure that they’re lots of fun on your sensible bitumen roads and in the 4x4 playground in Wiltshire or the Cairngorms, where you’re never more than a phone call away from a lamb biryani at the end of your Saturday arvo… but ask anyone in international remote area logistics if they will use Land Rover for their project in Africa, Central Asia, Arctic Circle, outback Aus… we’ll see what kind of an answer you get.
It really pains me as a Brit – albeit a long time gone one – that Land Rover is such a dog of a brand. What an absolute shambles of a history – if Defenders turn up, you don’t know which motor, wiring loom, ECU or gearbox they’ve got because they keep bloody changing. If Discoverys turn up, everyone heads to the pub and refuses to go anywhere. Early Discos – series 1s and 2s were the worst, obviously, but even more recent 3s and 4s have been massively problematic. In Africa there was even a time in the 1990s when Defenders pitched up with BMW 6 cyl petrol motors!
The marketing spin and glossy brochures and Jeremy Clarkson and whoever else has promoted these vehicles these past few years, it is all absolute bollox. If you want a reliable 4WD, buy anything Japanese. Do not, ever, buy a Land Rover. Tragic, painful, but true. Trust me, I’ve been mentally scarred by the bloody things.
Sadly I have to agree. They are a bush mechanics nightmare and are weak in all the wrong places
When I pitched up at Billing landrover 4 x4 show a few years back with my Toyota Troupie, one of the owners of a larger after-market landrover product companies happened to be passing where we were camped up
He pulled up a chair and had a cold one with us and the discussion touched on the old Toyota / landrover thing.
He just laughed and said he had made a fortune supplying gear to Landover owners who were trying to create something that approximated to what the Troupie already had.
A dream of a straight six engine
Difflocks on all 4 wheels
Ability to unlock the front half shafts to improve fuel efficiency on the road
Oversized extra strong diffs
Heavy duty gearbox that didn't leak oil and didn't have to be plugged before going through a six inch stream
Sadly they are hard to find over here
I. Farticus
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What's the saying in Aus? Something along the lines of "if you want to go into the Outback, take a Land Rover. If you want to come back, take a Toyota".
There's a reason that you see 50mm machine guns nailed to the back of Hiluxes - they just don't break!
I forget where, but think it was CLA a couple of years ago when a new Range Rover got stuck in a stream on the off-road course. Makes you wonder if the entire marketing team was canned the following Monday for that howler...
There's a reason that you see 50mm machine guns nailed to the back of Hiluxes - they just don't break!
I forget where, but think it was CLA a couple of years ago when a new Range Rover got stuck in a stream on the off-road course. Makes you wonder if the entire marketing team was canned the following Monday for that howler...
I can understand Jap bodies being popular in Australia where the conditions are mostly dry and nowhere near the sea, but when the winds from two thirds of the compass have just passed over the sea, rust has to be a consideration. Of course, if you only keep a vehicle till it's first MoT, that's no matter.
VWs seem to stand up to salt air. My Polo is 16 years old and has never been kept inside a garage. The central locking unit has just failed, though.
VWs seem to stand up to salt air. My Polo is 16 years old and has never been kept inside a garage. The central locking unit has just failed, though.
Land Rovers are exceedingly rare in the Outback, if you do see one there's something up, like its Ray Mears filming a how-not-to-die, and he would have been well advised to start by driving a Toyota instead.
Land Rovers (Discos) in Aus are driven by city types, in the city. They are far too preoccupied with their haircuts and manicure to consider taking their lovely new shopping trolleys somewhere yucky and dusty, full of critters. In fact, most Disco owners don't actually know where the Outback is.
But then there's the Aussie Army Land Rover. The Perentie. You've probably seen these. The clever Australians decided that the men from Solihull had spent so long in their little damp sheds that they had forgotten what they were trying to achieve in the first place, so they took the 110 and modified it quite a lot. Out went whatever rubbish attempt at an engine was in vogue at the time, in went an Isuzu 4BD1 (3.9L), or 4BD1-T, depending on duty. They galvanised the chassis (! imagine) and removed all hint of troublesome electrical thingumyjigs. They are awfully hot inside in 45 deg C in the desert, but that's all part of toughening up. The 6x6 versions are beasts. You won't go anywhere fast, but at least you'll get there.
The Perentie is a proper bush truck, if you like driving something from the 1800s, and you can buy as many as you like, because the Australian Army is flogging the lot and replacing them with... G Wagons.
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