POLL - Are you happy to pay for a medical certificate?

[kes]

I just think if you can afford it, why not pay.

Our NHS is a very precious national asset that needs all the support it can get. And some of you lot are getting all up and outraged because you're asked for a few quid

Our NHS is screwed witless by drug companies, commercial suppliers, agency staff, expert management teams on 100k each and does anyone seriously think that even a few million quid will make any difference at all ?
The NHS consumes BILLIONS and needs a thorough overall before asking a handful of healthy shooters to bail it out with £20 apiece. I COULD pay but can those youngsters who are starting in the sport, especially if they shouldnt have to. Its called a principled stance. I thought all shooters had principles ?

 

[kes]

When will BASC confirm it is taking a test case ? Enough talking - I would like to see some action. If this creeping authoritarianism and blackmail doesnt get a response from BASC which is strategic (i.e. Home Office) then for me BASC (who negotiated the deal and took credit for it) is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot but will leave a permanently bitter taste.

 

[JTO]

Our NHS is screwed witless by drug companies, commercial suppliers, agency staff, expert management teams on 100k each and does anyone seriously think that even a few million quid will make any difference at all ?
The NHS consumes BILLIONS and needs a thorough overall before asking a handful of healthy shooters to bail it out with £20 apiece. I COULD pay but can those youngsters who are starting in the sport, especially if they shouldnt have to. Its called a principled stance. I thought all shooters had principles ?

Well put!

 

[finnbear270]

OK, .... I have some history of BASC bashing, Just recently I have been made aware of a BASC employee being stressed over comments being attributed to an SD member who just so happens to be a member of a target club that a BASC employee helps administer .... I have spent many hours searching for my last bashing post, search has come up empty, in other words nothing for ages, maybe I have been confused with another Cheshire member?, .... perhaps BASC management should concern themselves with the root cause of “Bashing”?........?what is the causal link? Lackadaisical effort? .......Gravy train jobs? ........ I open the question, what is BASC.?

 

[finnbear270]

My apologies for the derail!

 

[kes]

I do not think this is a de-rail at all . Its a very pertinent question to ask at a moment of crisis of confidence what will BASC respond with ?
Experience suggests - not enough. It is my view that they will be responsible for their own demise but, in the process, take the sport with them - I sincerely hope I am wrong.

 

[finnbear270]

Admin, please split this off if you have time, many apologies for this de rail, Steve.

 

[drut]

You base that on what.
I'm not getting huffy at all, but I will not pay for something that I don't have to pay for.
Government guidelines say I don't pay, that's good enough for me.
GP's are not specialists in mental health, and round here at least have as little do do with it as is possible.
As for tight, many of us are on a fixed income, so skint would be the word, not tight.

I agree wholeheartedly:I for one(fixed pension) do not have spare money to pay for something not sanctioned by law and which I personally think will cause at least as many problems as it solves.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

I agree wholeheartedly:I for one(fixed pension) do not have spare money to pay for something not sanctioned by law and which I personally think will cause at least as many problems as it solves.

+1 on that! I totally agree with every word.
I too am on a basic state pension!

 

[Gm81]

I would pay for a first application. Then once you are approved, if nothing changes then no fee. If there has been changes that are significant. Not you cut yourself or had a cold.
The fee would need to be set so it wasn't open to be abused.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

That's a fair reply Gm81 for first time applicants but what about those who are renewing and get caught up in this charade with unpredictable charges which currently appear to go against Home Office Guide Lines?

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

I would pay for a first application. Then once you are approved, if nothing changes then no fee. If there has been changes that are significant. Not you cut yourself or had a cold.
The fee would need to be set so it wasn't open to be abused.

The thing is as this thread shows time and time again ,that the fee is set and is being abused!! and being shown that quite a few people want to roll over and except it,you wouldn,t think that we are all supposed to be in the same sport/pastime /work/ would you.

 

[Odders]

Our NHS is screwed witless by drug companies, commercial suppliers, agency staff, expert management teams on 100k each and does anyone seriously think that even a few million quid will make any difference at all ?
The NHS consumes BILLIONS and needs a thorough overall before asking a handful of healthy shooters to bail it out with £20 apiece. I COULD pay but can those youngsters who are starting in the sport, especially if they shouldnt have to. Its called a principled stance. I thought all shooters had principles ?

This.

 

[timbrayford]

The notion that shooters have principles is a good one, especially as we can conclude something rather different about at least some GPs & the BMA.

Reading through previous posts it would appear that in some cases:-
1. If you have no adverse medical conditions affecting your suitability to hold a FAC the GP will only respond to the FLD on payment of a fee, if this fee is not forthcoming the GP will instead inform the FLD that you are not fit to hold a FAC.
2. If however you do actually have a serious relevant health issue they will inform the FLD regardless of whether a fee has been paid.

This is just about all you need to know about the principles and scruples of those minority of GPs who send out those threatening letters demanding payment or else.

 

[bluesako]

getting a little bit fed up now with all these polls and petitions give it a rest jeez

 

[kes]

getting a little bit fed up now with all these polls and petitions give it a rest jeez

You dont have to take part or comment - just keep your feelings to yourself.

 

[JTO]

You dont have to take part or comment - just keep your feelings to yourself.

+1

 

[teabag_46]

Just out of interest - the poll results are fairly static, at around 85% against paying, which is completely at odds with the BASC statement; has anybody posted a link to BASC to let them know about this officially, so that they can respond, and let us know exactly what percentage of their members were happy to pay?

If they are aware of this - what was their reply, if any?

If they are not aware, would a BASC member make them aware, and invite them to reply?

 

[Harry mac]

BASC are perfectly aware that most certificate holders are against paying, but if they can convince 100,000+ members that the majority don't mind, and persuade them not to mind either, pretty soon no-one will mind, and BASC don't have to spend any time/funds lobbying against it.
I may be wrong.

 

[Hornet 6]

I may be wrong.

Pretty sure your not wrong.
More to the point, can anybody tell me when BASC actually achieved something worthwhile and positive for shooters ?

Neil.