slugs for boar

[Hunt-Inter]

I am having a nightmare with my feo about the same thing. Like banging your head against a brick wall with people with no experience, knowledge or willingness to listen to a sensible argument why I need them to the point that I’ve been blacklisted and told my variation will take a long time.

 

[Triggermortis]

This is a four shot group off a bench rest at 60m on a breezy day

 

[finnbear270]

That is worthy of a round of applause.

 

[Heym SR20]

I am not doughting the ability of slugs to shoot accurately and have the energy to shoot and kill large quickly and humanely. A shotgun with a handful of slugs will allow you to shoot just about anything that walks.

One of the good things about slugs is the low sectional density which means velocity falls very quickly and they a sub 100 weapon. In many parts of the world Rifles are not allowed and big game is hunted with slugs.

In the UK The powers that be have decided that a high velocity rifle is the much more effective for shooting large animals. And those that are administering the rules follow the guidance. The old slugs for crop protection is falling away. If you need slugs for deer management, they would rather licence a rifle.

The other challenge in their minds is there are many semis auto shotguns out there, and with slugs you are turning a Semi auto into a semi auto solid bullet firing machine. Also a shotgun is very much a short range weapon when loaded with shot. Frankly over 30 to 40 yards it is not going to do that much damage. Slugs turn them into a whole different ball game - that is why there is quite a bit of resistance to them.

 

[Lateral]

Unless you wan't to do "Practical Shotgun", in which case, fill your boots !

If there were to be issues, I wonder from which camp it would most likely come, hunters, or practical ?

 

[Jagare]

My combi will shoot a 2" 50 mtr group with S&B slugs. When i had the Wingmaster with its 20" slug barrel that would do a 2" group with no problem. The rifled choke in the 20" barrel made no difference to the group over the Imp cyl choke. Slugs are OK for following up wounded game but for hunting give me a rifle every time. We can use slugs for hunting boar and fallow but strangely not for roe.
I still have a couple of hundred slugs in store. Quite amazed at the UK's polices paranoia over slugs. Doesn't seem to be a problem with slugs in the rest of Europe.

 

[finnbear270]

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When some feo's see this they probably make the wrong descision due to mental comparison with the usual rifle bullets in use.

 

[Triggermortis]

Going back to the original post i approached my FEO (kent)as i wanted slugs for the humane dispatch of large animals, i was told yes but only if i also had them for boar so both conditions were added.

 

[alberta boy]

My combi will shoot a 2" 50 mtr group with S&B slugs. When i had the Wingmaster with its 20" slug barrel that would do a 2" group with no problem. The rifled choke in the 20" barrel made no difference to the group over the Imp cyl choke. Slugs are OK for following up wounded game but for hunting give me a rifle every time. We can use slugs for hunting boar and fallow but strangely not for roe.
I still have a couple of hundred slugs in store. Quite amazed at the UK's polices paranoia over slugs. Doesn't seem to be a problem with slugs in the rest of Europe.

I get similar results with my 870 . I'm also surprised with the UK regs governing the use of slugs . There are areas here where the use of center fire rifles is prohibited for hunting. This is due to higher housing densities and the risk of people , houses , cattle , etc , being accidentally hit . As Heym SR20 pointed out , we use slugs in these circumstances because of their limited range , they lose energy far faster than center fire rifles and drop quickly . They will kill very quickly inside their effective range however , to be honest , they sound tailor made for a fair amount of stalking applications in the UK . Unfortunately , it sounds like the mindset prohibiting their use in the UK has nothing to do with their suitability for hunting , my condolences .

AB

 

[enfieldspares]

Quite amazed at the UK's polices paranoia over slugs. Doesn't seem to be a problem with slugs in the rest of Europe.

Unfortunately , it sounds like the mindset prohibiting their use in the UK has nothing to do with their suitability for hunting.

You need to understand the original reason we had firearms control in the UK. It's about a fear of Government, or rather the ruling class, the establishment, being overthrown. Armed revolution having a chance of success against the forces of the State.

Anything that could do "combat" on equal terms with the military was considered a threat if left uncontrolled by the powers that be that drafted the 1920 Firearms Act. Solid slug, or round ball, gives a range, a "reach", to a shotgun that put it almost equal terms with a bolt action .303 Enfield rifle out to, say, one hundred yards. And it penetrates cover. Buckshot, birdshot, fails at forty, fifty yards and doesn't at distance penetrate cover.

So because of the ridiculous lack of trust that the Home Office had and has in licensed British shooters (viz the present proposed .50 calibre ban) any historical or indeed current commonsense approach from the Home Office in respect of slugs and round ball is non-existent.

 

[8x57]

Come off it Enfield, you clearly aren't a fan of you-tube are you.
Obviously some firearms departments and the Home Office are, because that is where they are getting their information on shotgun slugs from. You do realise that according to this moving picture encyclopaedia you can get slug loads to take down everything from a T-rex to a Challenger tank.

Actually there's quite a few videos on you-tube about shotgun slugs, many of them American in origin. Some are interesting, a few informative but most are positively dangerous or even scary.

 

[enfieldspares]

Yes! I wouldn't want to be behind the guns they are firing them from let alone downrange of them! I think I've even seen washers being fired from a shotgun, slugs made from moulded ice, crude attempts to make flechettes and all of it. They certainly have fun and one can only envy the wide open spaces these guys have to shoot over. The good videos are good...and informative. Most are just a waste of the internet.

 

[levigsp]

What is your primary quarry that you had slug granted for Deer / Fox ? (that the ALQ condition is attached to )

Can all the others who say that they have ALQ with slug do the same please .

So sorry for the late reply, my account was hacked and I couldn't reply.
My FA ticket states the guns and ammunition are to be used for Zeroing, Sporting, Stalking and killing ALQ it lists all my guns inc 12bore and ammunition inc 12 bore slug.

 

[ileso]

We can use slugs for hunting boar and fallow but strangely not for roe.

I imagine that with some slugs there wont be much left on a roe... they arent that big... I have shot a few foxes with slugs and to be fair they ended up very messy.

 

[8x57]

I imagine that with some slugs there wont be much left on a roe... they arent that big... I have shot a few foxes with slugs and to be fair they ended up very messy.

I wouldn't have thought that it would be that messy. A large single hole maybe?
I've shot several foxes at short range with heavy shotgun loads and the result was a large single hole in the fox. Obviously I didn't open them up to see what the actual damage was but as the load didn't open up it acted as a single slug I would have thought the result would be similar with slug on roe.. I suppose it would depend a lot on the design of the slug.

 

[shendy]

Are rifled chokes Section 5?

 

[reiver]

Are rifled chokes Section 5?

The chokes are not section 5 but if fitted to a pump or a semi auto shotgun the gun becomes a section five rifle . However you can own a bolt action ,under leaver or a sxs or o/o shotgun with rifled chokes but it then becomes a section gun on section 1 firearm in the Uk

 

[boar & deer]

Just as an up date they put them back on my licence but would not put the words "humane dispatch" for some reason

 

[Sash]

I wouldn't have thought that it would be that messy. A large single hole maybe?

They are not. I have seen plenty of deer (roe and red) shot with slugs on driven game shoots in France. The results are not noticeably different from those deer shot by rifles at similar ranges. Possibly a less dramatic exit hole (than, say, from a .300WSM), but that’s about it. So, depending on where the slug hits, plenty of meat left on the carcass.
Within the limitations of the round (trajectory and range/energy), I would be very happy to stalk woodland with them.

 

[ileso]

having shot various foxes with slugs, I can tell you its not pretty. of course it depends on the slug.

for wild boar I like both Sauvestre and DDuplex. brands. Sauvestre for longer shots, DDuplex Hexolit for absolute stopping power.

I wouldnt waste a sauvestre on a fox though, but I imagine the damage would be minimal.