So . . . .

[jimmy milnes]

Obviously you have never caught chickens for a living!

Usually 1 Load per man, so 3 loads for 3 blokes, New Year’s Eve 2 blokes plus 3 blokes from the job centre for 1 Load is a very easy way to see if the blokes are going to cut it.

They took 1 look and said no way, too much like hard work!

I remember my first shift as a catcher 7 years ago was 6 loads with 4 blokes and I was the newbie, I had a wife and a new born baby to support so my priorities were to them and I got on with it.

Obviously some prefer the gravy train over good honest hard graft.

No I've not professionally been a catcher but I've certainly done more catching up of pheasants while helping many keeper friends I have than I care to think about.

So as I've said previously to you in this thread but perhaps you didn't see or read it or maybe chose to ignore it, I and I'm sure many many others who voted to leave the EU, am not against immigration however I'm against uncontrolled immigration.
If immigration laws are not changed then all we will get is more of the people from other countries who are the likes of the guy in your van ie. Box tickers to quote you.
If your guy has a job with a firm to come to then fine he can come, work, pay tax into the system and enjoy the benefits of the system.
If not then he will speed up the downfall of all that we hold dear in our wonderful country.

 

[thorneyglatt]

No I've not professionally been a catcher but I've certainly done more catching up of pheasants while helping many keeper friends I have than I care to think about.

So as I've said previously to you in this thread but perhaps you didn't see or read it or maybe chose to ignore it, I and I'm sure many many others who voted to leave the EU, am not against immigration however I'm against uncontrolled immigration.
If immigration laws are not changed then all we will get is more of the people from other countries who are the likes of the guy in your van ie. Box tickers to quote you.
If your guy has a job with a firm to come to then fine he can come, work, pay tax into the system and enjoy the benefits of the system.
If not then he will speed up the downfall of all that we hold dear in our wonderful country.

I think you may have misread leec6.5's response ! If I 've read him right, it's the foreman and Polish fella who caught 6600 chickens up in 50 minutes while 3 English wasters didn't even bother to get out of the van.

 

[jimmy milnes]

I think you may have misread leec6.5's response ! If I 've read him right, it's the foreman and Polish fella who caught 6600 chickens up in 50 minutes while 3 English wasters didn't even bother to get out of the van.

On the contrary I think you may have misunderstood my post.
If immigration is left uncontrolled it leaves the door open to people the likes of Lees van man who at the moment live in other countries
Hope this simplifies my perhaps long winded post.

 

[User00025]

I leant upon a coppice gate,
When Frost was spectre-gray,
And Brexit’s dregs made desolate
The weakening eye of day.
The tangled bine-stems scored the sky
Like strings of broken lyres,
And all mankind that haunted nigh
Had sought their household fires.

The land’s sharp features seemed to me
This Opera’s corpse outleant,
Its crypt the cloudy canopy,
The wind its death-lament.
The ancient pulse of germ and birth
Was shrunken hard and dry,
And every spirit upon earth
Seemed fervourless as I.

At once a voice arose among
The bleak twigs overhead,
In a full-hearted evensong
Of joy illimited.
An aged thrush, frail, gaunt and small,
With blast-beruffled plume,
Had chosen thus to fling his soul
Upon the growing gloom.

So little cause for carolings
Of such ecstatic sound
Was written on terrestrial things
Afar or nigh around,
That I could think there trembled through
His happy good-night air
Some blessed Hope, whereof he knew,
And I was unaware.

As you have altered one by Thos Hardy I think **** by John Cooper Clarke the Salford bard is applicable.

 

[User00014]

On the contrary I think you may have misunderstood my post.
If immigration is left uncontrolled it leaves the door open to people the likes of Lees van man who at the moment live in other countries
Hope this simplifies my perhaps long winded post.

the polish catchers live here and have done for many years, they are on the books and pay their dues!

first you have to fix the wheel before you can ride the bike!

once you get the dolites working and doing the sh1tty jobs that the polish and other foreigners are doing life will be simple!

If they want to come here and graft and pay their dues, let them get on with it!

 

[jimmy milnes]

the polish catchers live here and have done for many years, they are on the books and pay their dues!

first you have to fix the wheel before you can ride the bike!

once you get the dolites working and doing the sh1tty jobs that the polish and other foreigners are doing life will be simple!

If they want to come here and graft and pay their dues, let them get on with it!

Absolutely my sentiments Lee and also the sentiments of most of the leave voters I know.

 

[Olaf]

Absolutely my sentiments Lee and also the sentiments of most of the leave voters I know.

Sadly, Brexit will actually increase unemployment in the uk and reduce the uks ability to to control its borders.
Eu Immigration to the uk is only 30 % of the total. The other 70% comes from the rest of the world.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[jimmy milnes]

Sadly, Brexit will actually increase unemployment in the uk and reduce the uks ability to to control its borders.
Eu Immigration to the uk is only 30 % of the total. The other 70% comes from the rest of the world.
Kindest regards, Olaf

No Olaf
Great Britain leaving the EU may increase unemployment as you can't say for sure.. you see you're doing exactly what the politicians did prior to the vote by saying things you can't prove unless you are mystic meg.
My thoughts ''which is what you should say'' are that unemployment will rise but can you say it wouldn't have happened anyway ? If you look at the employment statistics over the last 40 years you'll find that at this moment we are at our lowest since 1975 but in the time tween now and then it has risen and fallen considerably a few times ''while under European guidance'' so my point is we're due a rise anyway as these things ''like recessions and many other things'' go in waves.
Again as I've said previously, Great Britain leaving the EU will get the blame for anything bad happening over the next decade or so as it's an easy target for people and the media.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

By simply paying into a private pension, and no you don't have to pay tax to pay into a pension.
But if your claiming to be losing 10K a year then your also saying that now you will not get anything from the government ?
As for my comments about not paying UK tax, well I'm sorry if I'm mistaken.
But at no point previous have you ever mentioned you worked abroad while paying full uk tax and national insurance.

Neil.

Never ever paid into a private pension just the basic UK.
You live in a world of your and own cannot understand others lives. If you take the value of the £ before Brexit compared to the present value and do the basic math then 10K is the drop when converted over into Euros.

 

[Hornet 6]

Never ever paid into a private pension just the basic UK.
You live in a world of your and own cannot understand others lives. If you take the value of the £ before Brexit compared to the present value and do the basic math then 10K is the drop when converted over into Euros.

I understand simple. this is simple.
So you have successfully paid the required number of NI payments.
You now qualify for the full government pension, same as me.
Also same as me the amount you will receive has remained unchanged since before the brexit vote.
That is simple, it has not been devalued at all, it may be worth more or less if converted to euro's, but that is the nature
of exchange rates.

Also as you seem to me hung up over the mythical 10K loss.
Explain how a pension of less than £10,000.00 per annum can be devalued by £10K because being simple I can't get my head round that ?

 

[enfieldspares]

You live in a world of your and own cannot understand others lives. If you take the value of the £ before Brexit compared to the present value and do the basic math then 10K is the drop when converted over into Euros.

Damn right! I get paid in Sterling as I work for a UK concern, but my bills in France are in Euros. My housing, energy and day to day costs there have all increased 10% since the Brexit vote. But never mind as Jacob Rees-Mogg tells me that tropical fruit (nd, as I've said before, in the Working Mens' Clubs of Leicester they speak of little else but the price of kumquats) will be cheaper after Brexit. That'll be good to know when I'm back here if there's a No Deal Brexit and I can no longer lawfully work in the EU.

 

[Chasey]

Your reely don't need any kind of crystal ball to see the issues of job loss. Jobs are created by investment. Investment is dropping to an all time low, loss of jobs will follow.

Simple logic states a manufacturer who's exporting to the EU will want to be based in the EU to avoid any customs issues

Foreign investors are switching to the EU and away from the UK now. UK companies are setting up offices in the EU so they can transfer there.

Companies heavily invested in the UK now will stay until theres a shift in manufacturing. IE if their production line need a refit for a new product, they will move the production to the EU at that time.

Companies who sell largely in the UK will set up satellite business in the EU and down scale UK production. This of course will increase cost which will be passed on to the end user.

Companies like Dyson use cheep labour and low benefits to manufacture outside the EU then import. The UK offers none of those advantages so wouldn't pick up that sort of investment. For people like Dyson us leaving the EU will increase his competitiveness against EU based outfits who benefit from free trade, so hes all for it.


Theres no need for a degree in economics to figure this out. Its 2+2 = 4 levels of common sense.

The knock on effects of increased public spending and inflation causing interest rate hikes and a possable property crash start to become a little more complex. The BOE has already plaid its trump card with interest rates when they should have been increased during the previos recession. I simply dot know what else they can do now but increase interest rates significantly but the fall out would be catastrophic so again I have no real idea how hey would play it.

 

[jimmy milnes]

So as per my point then, all stuff that's happened before and will in years to come no doubt happen again many times over. I can remember interest rates being 17% on my first mortgage ''while enjoying the good times of the EU noonoo blanket.''
Yes it's going to be very difficult in the next decade or so nobody is thinking any other..
I realise nothing I say will make you change your mind ''or Lees or Olafs and likewise nothing you or they say will change mine.
We'll have to agree to disagree by the looks of things
Good luck in what ever the future brings my friend and hopefully we will both be around long enough to see the other side of the bad times.

 

[enfieldspares]

I was just not quite old enough to vote in the 1975 Referendum but if I had been I would have voted not to join. I also voted leave in the 2016 Referendum. But as I've discussed here to at least preserve for two years those Free Movement Rights that Cameron's deal would have extinguished immediately in 2016 had the result been Remain. I don't think it was a good idea to join the EU and that time, not now, was the the time for making trade deals with the rest of the world.

Things have moved on and what'd be on offer now would either be pretty much the same as, or only worse than, what we currently have with the EU. I have no illusion that a trade deal with the USA would destroy British farming and British steel manufacture either by us being forced to accept dumped US foodstuffs or if we didn't by the US imposing retaliatory tariffs on UK foodstuffs that being out of the EU we'd be unable to respond to in any effective manner.

Anyone with but a few minutes to Google can see how that country we supposedly have a special relationship with attempted to embargo British and EU steel and was only forced to back down by the power of the EU as a bloc to impose tariffs on US goods. The reality is that the UK would be impotent in any trade war if we stood alone against the USA. God and trade deals favour the big battalions. Liam Fox? The man who starred front and centre in the recent expenses scandal and the Werrity debacle? That man couldn't negotiate a p1ss up in a brewery.

 

[african jack]

Never ever paid into a private pension just the basic UK.
You live in a world of your and own cannot understand others lives. If you take the value of the £ before Brexit compared to the present value and do the basic math then 10K is the drop when converted over into Euros.

The pound has dropped 16 % your basic UK pension must be fantastic £65000 per annum ?

 

[User00025]

I understand simple. this is simple.
So you have successfully paid the required number of NI payments.
You now qualify for the full government pension, same as me.
Also same as me the amount you will receive has remained unchanged since before the brexit vote.
That is simple, it has not been devalued at all, it may be worth more or less if converted to euro's, but that is the nature
of exchange rates.

Also as you seem to me hung up over the mythical 10K loss.
Explain how a pension of less than £10,000.00 per annum can be devalued by £10K because being simple I can't get my head round that ?

Can't get my head round it either. My UK pension is less than 10k so can't lose all of it
BB you must have one hell of a UK pension to lose 10k through Brexit.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Your reely don't need any kind of crystal ball to see the issues of job loss. Jobs are created by investment. Investment is dropping to an all time low, loss of jobs will follow.

Simple logic states a manufacturer who's exporting to the EU will want to be based in the EU to avoid any customs issues

Foreign investors are switching to the EU and away from the UK now. UK companies are setting up offices in the EU so they can transfer there.

Companies heavily invested in the UK now will stay until theres a shift in manufacturing. IE if their production line need a refit for a new product, they will move the production to the EU at that time.

Companies who sell largely in the UK will set up satellite business in the EU and down scale UK production. This of course will increase cost which will be passed on to the end user.

Companies like Dyson use cheep labour and low benefits to manufacture outside the EU then import. The UK offers none of those advantages so wouldn't pick up that sort of investment. For people like Dyson us leaving the EU will increase his competitiveness against EU based outfits who benefit from free trade, so hes all for it.


Theres no need for a degree in economics to figure this out. Its 2+2 = 4 levels of common sense.

The knock on effects of increased public spending and inflation causing interest rate hikes and a possable property crash start to become a little more complex. The BOE has already plaid its trump card with interest rates when they should have been increased during the previos recession. I simply dot know what else they can do now but increase interest rates significantly but the fall out would be catastrophic so again I have no real idea how hey would play it.

I fear you’re wasting the finger energy required to set this out as while I fully acknowledge the following does not apply to all those who voted “Leave” it’s clear there is a significant percentage that truly are happy to realise this status at any cost to the economy and their individual prosperity.

I’ve tried hard therefore to view both type of Leaver with no less respect and mindful there is an argument those who appear willing to sacrifice a great deal now and at personal sacrifice for something better in the future should be afforded heightened respect but for that to happen I require someone to please avail me of what this “something” is to permit a full understanding.

Until that happens I will continue to view much of the Leaver's belligerent rhetoric as no more than parochial selfishness so do please prove me wrong in early 2019.

Happy New Year!

K

 

[Chasey]

If the leave voters got what they wanted, they would have some grounds for suggesting it was worth the enormous cost. Surely by now the leave voters must realise they will get none of the things they wanted.

 

[enfieldspares]

Yep! I saw this written on a bus too. A REMAINER bus. Is that EU blue? LOL!

Like Boris Johnson's 350M for the NHS it's something else that isn't true.

So let's be optimistic...and I'm find it hard...that remain voters don't get all of the things they perdicted.

 

[JTO]

My vote to LEAVE was to AVOID what the EU is wanting to change into. Anyone wanting to REMAIN has either been institutionalised by EU handouts, or is a closet communist.