So . . . .

[Pine Marten]

Meanwhile, real life experience from the Streets of Brexit Britain: I was at the bus stop with YPM aver the holidays, chatting away to him about something or other, when I heard a voice behind me say "Oi! We speak INGLISH in this cahntry!". I wasn't paying attention really, so it took ten seconds or so before I registered that statement. Then I turned round thinking someone was having a go at a lady in a veil or a gentleman with a bit of a tan, and there is this geezer in a flatcap sitting there looking at me. The bus arrives, I climb on with my little boy, and then it hits me: we've just been told to bugger off back to where we came from pretty much! I mean, I'm named after T. E. Lawrence and am wearing a tweed coat! How on earth did that happen?

Later on as I walked home, I went past the local Wetherspoons. I looked through the window and it was full of people watching 633 Squadron on the big screen. That had to be the Brexitiest thing I'd seen so far.

 

[Olaf]

Each side claims that there will be civil unrest if they don't win

Rice, pasta, spices, salt, pepper, sugar, flour, nuts, dried fruit, tinned veggies - hope your larders are full - trouble coming

I don’t see this as a winning or loosing matter, indeed, if it came to a no deal WTO rules only hard cliff edge onto the rocks at Dover Brexit, I’d quite happily accept that the UK is just a bit insane.
Bottom line is that’s never going to happen and never would have. And besides, it’s not nice to be nasty, and I don’t think that the UK is a nasty nation either, we are a great nation.
I think that the main problem with lots of people that still argue for a hard Brexit, is quite simply that they don’t actually know what the EU is not how it functions. We have been told so much rubbish by gutter tabloid reporters over the years and utterly corrupt and dualistic leave campaign salesmen that if this nonsense were actually true, I’d be the most ardent leave supporter going.
As I said a moment ago, I dont see this as a win loose discussion, I see it as an interesting discussion and one where the UK needs to benefit from good trade and prosperity and political strength and respect in Europe and the rest of the world.
It’s my opinion that the best option for the UK on many levels is to continue with its current position in the EU and be a strong player in it.
We all have much to gain from the rejection of Theresa’s utterly craaaap deal and much to loose from continuing with this silly Brexit fiasco.

Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[tackb]

I don’t see this as a winning or loosing matter, indeed, if it came to a no deal WTO rules only hard cliff edge onto the rocks at Dover Brexit, I’d quite happily accept that the UK is just a bit insane.
Bottom line is that’s never going to happen and never would have. And besides, it’s not nice to be nasty, and I don’t think that the UK is a nasty nation either, we are a great nation.
I think that the main problem with lots of people that still argue for a hard Brexit, is quite simply that they don’t actually know what the EU is not how it functions. We have been told so much rubbish by gutter tabloid reporters over the years and utterly corrupt and dualistic leave campaign salesmen that if this nonsense were actually true, I’d be the most ardent leave supporter going.
As I said a moment ago, I dont see this as a win loose discussion, I see it as an interesting discussion and one where the UK needs to benefit from good trade and prosperity and political strength and respect in Europe and the rest of the world.
It’s my opinion that the best option for the UK on many levels is to continue with its current position in the EU and be a strong player in it.
We all have much to gain from the rejection of Theresa’s utterly craaaap deal and much to loose from continuing with this silly Brexit fiasco.

Kindest regards, Olaf

you know there was and still is a lot of lies and exaggerations from the remain campaign as well don't you ? or do you prefer to overlook that to suit your argument?

sadly for you the leave campaign won , if you are worried about lies just check how many manifesto promises are broken once a party gets into power yet we still have to put up with them for a term in power , as we've been in the eu for something like 40 years I would suggest that's a good period of time to try and make it on our own and then see if we want to re-join , if the eu is even still a thing by then ?

I think we need to leave , democracy needs to be done so to speak or as suggested I think there will be serious civil unrest , people are beginning to tire of the political elite and there lies and arrogance !

the last thing this country needs is civil unrest but if it happens I lay the blame square at the door of remainers and the remain politicians and their shocking arrogance regarding a democratic decision that didn't go their way.

to sum up , the country voted out , we must leave.

 

[Olaf]

you know there was and still is a lot of lies and exaggerations from the remain campaign as well don't you ? or do you prefer to overlook that to suit your argument?

sadly for you the leave campaign won , if you are worried about lies just check how many manifesto promises are broken once a party gets into power yet we still have to put up with them for a term in power , as we've been in the eu for something like 40 years I would suggest that's a good period of time to try and make it on our own and then see if we want to re-join , if the eu is even still a thing by then ?

I think we need to leave , democracy needs to be done so to speak or as suggested I think there will be serious civil unrest , people are beginning to tire of the political elite and there lies and arrogance !

the last thing this country needs is civil unrest but if it happens I lay the blame square at the door of remainers and the remain politicians and their shocking arrogance regarding a democratic decision that didn't go their way.

to sum up , the country voted out , we must leave.

Mmm, yes, would you like to explain how you would go about leaving then ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[finnbear270]

Leaving, Exiting, We walk, Stage right, put the 39 Billions back in the coffers, just don't let labour swap it for a little handwritten note.

 

[tackb]

Mmm, yes, would you like to explain how you would go about leaving then ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

that's easy , we write to the eu that we are no longer members and we will no longer be sending them 39 billion

we would at the same time start sorting trade deals , so if we had done it at the referendum then we'd 2.5 years down the road

 

[enfieldspares]

That's easy , we write to the eu that we are no longer members and we will no longer be sending them 39 billion

That's the sure fire route to never being trusted again in terms of any treaty that we sign.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Mmm, yes, would you like to explain how you would go about leaving then ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

Not a lot of options this far down a dragged out line olaf is there, any hopes of a decent deal have gone in my opinion due to many things ''which I'm fed up of mentioning'' so that leaves us with the hard line out unfortunately as I think it's going to make the recovery longer but at least we would leave with our heads held high.
Recovery will happen no matter what outcome happens that I'm sure we can all agree on.

 

[User00025]

That's the sure fire route to never being trusted again in terms of any treaty that we sign.

Similar to the E U's statement not trusting us without a backstop then. But I wouldn't trust them ever.

 

[enfieldspares]

Trust no one, show malice to none, walk/speak softly but carry a big stick. Always sound advice. That Teddy Roosevelt borrowed from an old African proverb.

 

[User00025]

Trust no one, show malice to none, walk/speak softly but carry a big stick. Always sound advice. That Teddy Roosevelt borrowed from an old African proverb.

Also, keep your friends close and your enemies even closer, and do unto others before they do it to you.

 

[B&W FOX]

just found a leave propaganda flyer from a couple of years ago.

 

[Chasey]

that's easy , we write to the eu that we are no longer members and we will no longer be sending them 39 billion

we would at the same time start sorting trade deals , so if we had done it at the referendum then we'd 2.5 years down the road

That sounds great

And of course having defaulted on our obligations which we agreed to and are contractually obliged to honour, the Eu's response would be?? What exactly?

I have a sneaking suspension it wont be pleasant

I fear many many UK citizens would suffer miserably for your hubris

 

[african jack]

That sounds great

And of course having defaulted on our obligations which we agreed to and are contractually obliged to honour, the Eu's response would be?? What exactly?

I have a sneaking suspension it wont be pleasant

I fear many many UK citizens would suffer miserably for your hubris

I think you will find that nothing is agreed till all is agreed

 

[Chasey]

Trust no one, show malice to none, walk/speak softly but carry a big stick. Always sound advice. That Teddy Roosevelt borrowed from an old African proverb.

As a stand alone country in full knowledge that the necular solution is a bit of a non starter (even if our ancient Polaris system were still to work) and up against countries like China who's standing army is nearly 20X bigger than ours, or Russia who's military is about 30 X bigger than ours?

Did you know for every two standing serviceman the UK can muster, the Russians have one tank?

Soooooo wouldn't we be wielding more of a twig?

 

[User00025]

That sounds great

And of course having defaulted on our obligations which we agreed to and are contractually obliged to honour, the Eu's response would be?? What exactly?

I have a sneaking suspension it wont be pleasant

I fear many many UK citizens would suffer miserably for your hubris

Ang on a cotton picking minute!! You are a property man, how much are those buildings in Brussels worth. We must surely be due a few Bob out of them cos they must have used some of our money to build them. Isn't it about time we had a bit of a reckoning on how much we are owed.
.

 

[User00025]

As a stand alone country in full knowledge that the necular solution is a bit of a non starter (even if our ancient Polaris system were still to work) and up against countries like China who's standing army is nearly 20X bigger than ours, or Russia who's military is about 30 X bigger than ours?

Did you know for every two standing serviceman the UK can muster, the Russians have one tank?

Soooooo wouldn't we be wielding more of a twig?

Nah 2 Molotov cocktails or a flame thrower could sort it.

 

[enfieldspares]

Did you know for every two standing serviceman the UK can muster, the Russians have one tank?

When I was a lad and it was the mid 1970s when the Cold War was getting hot I'd lie awake at night. Having visions of Russian armoured divisions sweeping through the Fulda Gap brushing all resistance aside in a furious and unstoppable onrush of tanks, APCs, self-propelled guns and following lorried infantry.

Then in my very late twenties or early thirties I bought a used Lada Estate. And the horrible truth of the reliability of Soviet vehicle technology confronted me in all its ugliness. And I slept soundly after that.

 

[african jack]

He does not think that Russian tanks will have to come through the EU to get here ( but I suppose any think is possible in his fantasy world )

 

[mchughcb]

Russians love the UK. They don't need to come in tanks. They come business class with credit cards. Last time i was walking around mayfair at night all i heard was russian.